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"and lost all of a $110,000 personal loan he’d taken out from PNC Bank." The man had no job, maxed out credit card, and a bank gave him a loan of 110k? Am I crazy to think this is insane on the bank's behalf?

He may have lied to the bank about his income and credit history. Addicts tend to do that kind of thing. Before 2008, it was trivially easy to get away with it.

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Great article. I have a Internet addiction and this is eerily similar.

Like slot machines that pump random awards and chance into slot user, I feel the surge of social approval and dopamine rush too when I get a Reddit upvote, a Facebook Like, IG comment, Tumblr reblog etc.

Also like how gambling addicts get into a "zombie flow-state" when they're one with the machine, I feel the same way scrolling through pages after pages of Hacker News/Reddit/NYTimes/ESPN/YouTube popular channels. The thrill is gone, but the mechanics of pulling the slots pulley is embedded in my brain, watching one more YouTube video of a political pundit railing about the election, one more reaction video about a Internet meme, sometimes even re-watching video's like re-watching music lyrics video to relive the laughter, that feeling - and only in the middle of the video wondering how I got there, like sometimes driving to a destination other than your work office but your brain goes on autopilot and takes the other turn to your office; and you don't realize it until you're there.

Also like how casino's are a very anonymous and comforting place to addicts, I feel very safe and comfortable in hanging out with like-minded individuals on online forums whom I only know a vague outline of, but whose weariness and anonymity like mine are just as addicted and plugged into the zombie human-machine interface; I feel intuned and comfortable with. Like the anti-social meme's ("Ez game, Ez lyfe") on online games, alt-right memes on some Subreddits (Pepe memes, Trump is a racist) and IT memes on HN (for Elon Musk's new Tesla model, against Holmes' Theranos, for Peter Thiel's Fellowship, against Peter Thiel's endorsements, employees vs. funders), I commiserate with the anger and rage; and the identification of these online communities, just to feel like I am a part of something and also to direct my emotions to have some kind of drama & risk in my otherwise sterile electronic life; sometimes I feel I feel simultaneous the negative emotions and positive identifications on both sides of the argument.

I guess at least my addiction isn't too bad given I'm only losing on my account balance of time and attention although that feeling of coming out of a six hours bender on the net trying to find the perfect co-working space in my city, debating through all the Yelp/CityData threads for the pro's and con's, feels eerily like coming out a casino sliding doors to bright sunlight at 8AM after a 18hr binge at the blackjack table; somehow in the back of your mind, you already accepted that you'll be economically bankrupt in exchange for a chase for an emotional high - almost a spiritual transcendence, but somehow you wound up just feeling morally bankrupt.

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#13

Casinos enable gambling Addicts in the same way that legalized weed enables drug addicts.

Legal weed dealers cannot yet issue a special type of credit at their discretion, for which they can employ the DA as a collection agency

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Casinos enable gambling Addicts in the same way that legalized weed enables drug addicts.

I've read that the way gambling engages the dopaminergic system in gambling addicts is more akin to physical addictions like alcohol, tobacco, or opiates. So maybe a better analogy would be "in the same way freely available opiates would enable drug addicts".

There often seems to be a sentiment of "Why congratulate a recovering alcoholic? I've never had a drinking problem so why isn't someone congratulating me." from those who have never experienced or been close to someone who is experiencing a never ending addictive loop. Generally this attitude comes from arrogance, inexperience, and youth.

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Great article. I have a Internet addiction and this is eerily similar. Like slot machines that pump random awards and chance into slot user, I feel the surge of social approval and dopamine rush too when I get a Reddit upvote, a Facebook Like, IG comment, Tumblr reblog etc. Also like how gambling addicts get into a "zombie flow-state" when they're one with the machine, I feel the same way scrolling through pages afte…

You are not alone. I feel the same way every now and then. The most obvious sign is when I catch myself typing the URL of the website I just opened right there again at the top.

And then I go through my habits and get better internet hygiene. One such thing that helped was setting time limits or when I switched for instance to using Google Reader.

Unfortunately google killed it, so I was lost for a while.

Another trick that worked for a bit was using Calibre to dump websites/articles (from RSS feeds) into a daily .epub for my Kindle. Browsing the web on an offline device is really nice, as it removes the impulse for clicking on links.

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#17

Hasn't the addictive properties of gambling been baked into the model of businesses offering it since the concept emerged?

The article addresses this question. Roughly half way down. Also the current top comment in this thread also directly addresses that.

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#18
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Here's an interesting academic paper that explains in detail the "virtual reel", "near miss" and other techniques that slot machines use to boost their appeal: http://stoppredatorygambling.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/...

And here's the patent that kicked it all off: US4448419, also known as the "Telnaes patent" for its inventor.

https://www.google.com/patents/US4448419

The original intent of the design was to allow for larger payouts without the need to increase the size of the machine.

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Casinos enable gambling Addicts in the same way that legalized weed enables drug addicts.

I don't think that's a fair analogy at all. Care to expand on it?

He probably would care to, but how much time would you care to spend listening to anecdotal bro science today?

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A really great short documentary on this subject is Louis Theroux's "Gambling in Las Vegas". His frank manner really cuts to the core of not only the length to which addicts will justify gambling but also to the lengths to which the casino employees justify their enabling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJRYUZbxwyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5EcyUaZQrU

Better version that doesn't have all kind of broken artifacts.

I enjoy hearing the justification of "friendship" between the high roller, and his fixer. Pretty hilarious.

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