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Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by daxfohl »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #51
daxfohl wrote: post #19

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Anonymous classes are the big thing I miss. (Yes C# has a feature called "anonymous classes" as well, but it's completely different).

What do you still use those for? I can't remember the last time I saw an anonymous class used in a way that isn't superseded by lambdas.

Yeah, I was thinking about that when I wrote the comment. They were most useful for `Observable` objects for event handling in swing; you don't really need that with C# events.

There are still uses though. Lambdas are the future, but there are lots of OO-first libraries that are still quite popular. It'd be nice to create e.g. `new Newtonsoft.JsonConverter() { ReadJson() {...} WriteJson() {...}}` etc on the fly sometimes without needing separate classes.

It's possible in F# though, so nothing dotnet specific is preventing it.

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

JBReefer wrote: post #37

I like the laptop with a bunch of lovely Microsoft technologies, and then WiX. Please, please die WiX. Imperative XML + non-deterministic execution order + the worst error messages of the entire stack. I love C# and the CLR, but damn WiX sucks.

I can't believe WiX hasn't already died. I tried using it 7 or 8 years ago. What a terrible idea to use XML like that. But, that was back when XML was ... the ... bees ... knees! I mean everyone was gaga over using XML for everything.

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by dom96 »

patates wrote: post #69
geodel wrote: post #48

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Google have not made their own languages Dart/Go official to Android. Why would they make languages other than Java a priority now?

Dart doesn't have the adoption yet and has a different plan when it comes to mobile ( https://github.com/flutter/flutter ). I love Go, but it's not really a suitable language to do UI, or anything that deals with data models. C#, however, is a perfect replacement for Java, most of the times. I would say "it's simply superior in every imaginable metric other than cross-platform implementations of the compiler/VM" but…

Why do you consider Go unsuitable for UI development?

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by AlexDanger »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #73
xeromal wrote: post #3

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That would be dope! I'd kill to have WPF ported over too!

Oh please no. Not a fan of WPF.

I thought MS was (quietly) killing WPF and burying it next to Silverlight? Not soon enough I think. Nice idea, headache inducing implementation.

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by cwbrandsma »

geodel wrote: post #77
patates wrote: post #69

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Dart doesn't have the adoption yet and has a different plan when it comes to mobile ( https://github.com/flutter/flutter ). I love Go, but it's not really a suitable language to do UI, or anything that deals with data models. C#, however, is a perfect replacement for Java, most of the times. I would say "it's simply superior in every imaginable metric other than cross-platform implementations of the compiler/VM" but…

Java's value is not some inherent superiority of language for mobile development, it is about throwing (100s of) millions of dollars and 100s of engineers to make it work. And I think it remains true for C# also. Unless someone sinks 100s of millions on C# too it seems non-starter to me. By the way Microsoft has already tried mobile ecosystem with .net/C# that did not work out very well.

I wouldn't say that was because of .net/C#. Nor did the iPhone succeed because of ObjectiveC or Android because of Java.

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by wehadfun »

Drdrdrq wrote: post #63
baldfat wrote: post #25

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Why would someone down vote an opinion that they are okay with Java? It added to the conversation. Personally I prefer C# and Swift to Java but others idea are just as valid.

Imho people are just expressing their disagreement. I know downvote is not meant for that, but I think HN is to blame here. If you have two arrows, one up and one down, why is up for agreement while down is not for disagreement, but for "this doesn't add to conversation"? The actions should be opposite, or they should use different icons.

Really good point!

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by optimiz3 »

baldfat wrote: post #25
treehau5 wrote: post #6

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No thanks. I like Java, and esp Java 8 just fine.

Why would someone down vote an opinion that they are okay with Java? It added to the conversation. Personally I prefer C# and Swift to Java but others idea are just as valid.

An opinion without justification adds nothing.

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by recursive »

kuschku wrote: post #58
samfisher83 wrote: post #38

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C# and java are very similar except C# has a bunch of extra features. Instead of creating anonymous classes and overriding methods you use event handlers. Plus you have linq,lambdas, operator overloading etc.

There’s also the Stream API and lambdas in Java. Operator overloading is probably the worst feature ever invented, same with Class Extensions, reducing readability of code. And with a switch to C# Google would neglect the Java ecosystem on Android, requiring us app devs to rewrite everything again. I’m not sure there’s an upside to switching to C#.

IMO operator overloading is less bad than goto. (C# has them both)

C# also has yield, async, structs, reflection on generics, and a number of other features.

Re: Google joins .NET Foundation as Samsung brings .NET support to Tizen

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Post by problems »

geodel wrote: post #72
jahnu wrote: post #49

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* C# is much more mature * It has an enormous user base * It's not owned by Oracle Not saying they will but those are real possible reasons for Google to do this.

One possible way out will be something like Swift port to Android made by an open source contributor to Swift. Someone with deep knowledge of C# can take a stab at C# to Android. I'd think Google have very few C# people internally.

There already exists C# for Android, it recently became free too when Microsoft bought up Xamarin (the company formerly maintain Mono and the Xamarin Android and iOS wrappers). Microsoft is really pushing .NET Core and the open .NET platform, really an awesome move for developers.

What the parent wanted was official support from Google for Xamarin's Android API wrapper or a complete rewrite of core parts of the OS in .NET instead of Java. It seems fairly unlikely because of all the effort Google has invested in their Java VM and JIT/AOT compilers, but maybe that'll change.

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