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Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by Sacho »

dliotev wrote: post #265
legodt wrote: post #195

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You are still correct, yes. Im not disputing that these hate groups exist. But being racist against white people doesn't really mean much when they still hold all of the institutional power. It's perfectly valid to feel threatened or upset by these groups that threaten you, but they are a small minority in a country that now has an open white supremacist appointed to a cabinet position in the white house and large, a…

"...being racist against white people doesn't really mean much..." In case you didn't know: these words incite hate towards a group of people based on their skin color. In other words, you are advocating racism. You've just exposed yourself as a racist.

I believe the parent is a proponent of the theory of racial relations that defines racism as "prejudice + power". I don't think I'm eloquent enough to sum up the idea, so here's a link to a paper that analyzes this proposed meaning among others: http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/...

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Post by CoryG89 »

huffpopo wrote: post #287
CoryG89 wrote: post #272

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Oh yes, the "poor" rich people being threatened by the actual poor. Very threatening indeed.

Going to work each day worried that I might get hit by a brick and broken glass was very threatening indeed. And for the record I'm from a poor background and worked my whole life hard for that job. I saved the money I got from it so I could work full time on improving the lives of my fellow humans - which is what I do now.

Don't mistake it for sarcasm. I don't doubt you had real cause to be threatened. Just pointing out the irony. As someone who also comes from a relatively poor background, I would think that, while threatened, you also understand why some people may have felt the way they did.

If a large tech company wants to thrive in a particular area they should make sure they don't alienate any groups already existing in that area to the extent that they feel the need to wake up early in the morning to go and throw rocks to get their attention.

If it gets to this point, the company should do something to try to address the issue, and any employee that genuinely feels threatened should refuse to work until their employer provides a safe working environment.

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Post by Inconel »

dictum wrote: post #260
pauleastlund wrote: post #125

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Citation? From Wikipedia: "The alt-right has no formal ideology... 'Alt-right' is a recently coined umbrella term, with no clear criteria of membership yet agreed upon." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right Would each of the people being banned agree that they've signed on to an admittedly racist and sexist platform? I doubt it. EDIT: Let me amend "I doubt it" to "I am not sure and haven't done enough research to…

The funny thing is that the alt right (at least from the Trump campaign onwards) is based on the idea that if you're not an extremist, you're a "cuck" . So, while it isn't a clearly defined ideology, it is a group seeking increasingly more extreme ideologies as time passes. Twitter's move reduces their platform and reach but increases their cultural cachet — they're becoming the Certified Opposition to all of society…

I'm fairly sure the whole "cuck" insult thing grew out of chan culture. I think it was adopted by /pol/ and then disseminated to the wider alt right community. The funny thing is that while it may have started as an insult to those not extreme enough in their views it evolved (devolved?) into a general purpose insult. Do you like Apple? You're a cuck. How about M$, also a cuck. Google? Yep, cuck. It's basically lost all meaning now.

Even on /b/, which is known for putting up with the absolute lowest quality shitposting on the entire internet, insulting someone as a cuck will now be met with a litany of retorts regarding your "low quality bait". Weird times.

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Post by nathanasmith »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #299
nathanasmith wrote: post #269

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> Race matters to a lot of people and should be recognized as having an axiom of privilege not unlike class (which you broght[ sic ] up), gender identity, and sexuality. The narrative of "white privilege" leaves out the fact that no two people's experiences are ever alike. Social privilege is a combination of many things: socioeconomic status of their parents, educational attainment, criminal history, cultural experi…

I thought Trump was supported by economic and not name calling or racial issues. Did people vote for trump because they felt belittled by name calling? That's kind of petty. I was under the impresssion it was due to unheard serious economic strife in the rust belt.

> I thought Trump was supported by economic and not name calling or racial issues.

What I actually said (emphasis mine):

>> part of what sent people to the polls for Trump

The conversation from some quarters has been to group people into neat little boxes that they don't actually fit in. People voted Trump for many reasons. It is a fallacy to hypostatize them all into a singular perspective. When you see the world is more than this, you may begin to understand how Trump happened.

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Post by Taek »

mhurron wrote: post #220
Pungsnigel wrote: post #135

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How do you know the result of a completely different kind of election? The candidates would obviously campaign differently in the case you are describing.

Numbers: Trump : 60,834,437 votes Hillary : 61,782,016 votes Popular Vote result ( as in your vote counts the same as everyone elses ) President Hillary. US System ( the weight of your vote depends on what state you live in ) President Trump. If you want to break it down further than that, well there is no reason to analyze anything ever because it's always a completely different situation. People were blindsided bec…

People forget why the electoral college was created. Every state gets 3 votes for free. More votes added based on population. That's by design, because it props up the small states.

The Constitution intentionally gave disproportionate power to small states to prevent the large states from being able to ignore them entirely. That was a condition that the small states demanded for joining the union.

This election worked exactly as it was intended. The small states preferred Trump, and their constitutionally granted power was sufficient to overule the authority of the larger states.

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Post by [deleted] »

newaccount3574 wrote: post #259
FilterSweep wrote: post #150

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The particular situation with pepe the frog is a bit more nuanced than news sources let on. He went from "Feels Bad, Man" comics to being very frequently photoshopped with 3rd reich / swastikas / other neo-nazi logos. Pepe is an interesting case because it brings up the discrepancy between trolling (messing with others in "bad fun") and actual people who vehemently support and push aggressively hateful messages.

> being very frequently photoshopped with 3rd reich / swastikas / other neo-nazi logos. Your samples are biased there. If you are already looking at alt-right tweets then obviously you will see more trump- and nazi-related pepes. If you look anywhere else then pepe is just another highly versatile meme. /pol/ also shopped MAGA cap onto various anime characters. Momiji inubashiri being particularly popular, probably b…

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Post by thro32 »

CoryG89 wrote: post #302
huffpopo wrote: post #287

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Going to work each day worried that I might get hit by a brick and broken glass was very threatening indeed. And for the record I'm from a poor background and worked my whole life hard for that job. I saved the money I got from it so I could work full time on improving the lives of my fellow humans - which is what I do now.

Don't mistake it for sarcasm. I don't doubt you had real cause to be threatened. Just pointing out the irony. As someone who also comes from a relatively poor background, I would think that, while threatened, you also understand why some people may have felt the way they did. If a large tech company wants to thrive in a particular area they should make sure they don't alienate any groups already existing in that area…

Is there any chance that those "actual poor" people were not locals, but some rich college kids?

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Post by vorotato »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #181
arkitaip wrote: post #30

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But these alt-right figureheads aren't your average trump voters. They actually are racist and nasty people and we shouldn't group them together with other conservative/right/trump voters.

I am very suspicious of people throwing these terms around. Especially because the left uses the terms "racist", "sexist", and "hateful" (etc) to demonize their opponents as opposed to actually addressing certain issues in debate rationally. The willingness to use these terms so freely to shut down debate means I simply don't believe such charges unless I'm shown something that actually meets a reasonable definition.…

If you don't know of the people banned, read about them. They're true white supremacists. Twitter is under no obligation to be a platform for the KKK as twitter is a private company.

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Post by forgottenpass »

dahart wrote: post #196
tajen wrote: post #115

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"A cartoon of Pepe the Frog is a commonly used symbol of the alt-right" is the subtitle of the image in the BBC article. Look at it, the drawing innocence is really staggering: I'm wondering what is the link, whether the link is warranted, and whether Twitter used posts of Pepe the Frog to recognize alt-right people. Sounds like a badly AI-generated inference to me.

I just listened to the story of Pepe yesterday. https://gimletmedia.com/episode/77-the-grand-tapestry-of-pep... The artist who created Pepe had nothing to do with the alt-right, it's an internet meme they took by sheer volume, just by using it a lot. Pepe has been around for 10 years, and the use of it as a symbol of white supremacy is 2-3 years old. The artist recently got put on a web page by the Anti Defamation Le…

it's an internet meme they took by sheer volume, just by using it a lot.

I think you have your causallity a bit mixed there. They did use it a lot, and then people started lobbing guilt by association at the rest of us that were using it. We had no option but to let Pepe go.

Pepe is a symbol of hate because it wasn't my (or anyone's) hill to die on defending the integrity of a meme from libel by social manipulators.

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