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Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by quickben »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #32
airesQ wrote: post #21

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I really don't see how that strategy would work with open source projects. Wouldn't most contributions for the "extend" phase be open source? Once open source, it's much harder to extinguish.

Mostly just ignore the parent comment, some people are inherently compelled to link a twenty year old business strategy on EVERY Microsoft-related thread.

I can see you aren't reading the current changes in ms db licencing costs, not moving a finger about Kronos to favour directx and the likes. What do you think changed in ms after 20 years? Them providing a cute text editor for Linux and now they are the good guys?

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by paulddraper »

bomdo wrote: post #20

Apparently, being a platinum member entails donating $500k [1], so it's not that big a deal for Microsoft ($85B revenue[2]). And as the article states, there has been negativity in the linux community regarding the old arch-enemy joining their ranks. Looking at the new Microsoft however, I think it's fair to assume that the days of "embrace, extend and extinguish"[3] are over and they are genuinely interested in coop…

> being a platinum member entails donating $500k

HP's donation isn't necessary Microsoft's

> so it's not that big a deal for Microsoft

So what? It's a big deal for the Linux Foundation. And that's what matters. It's not about everyone paying "their fair share". It's about ensuring a good future for the high-quality very popular open source OS Linux. The circumstances of the donor doesn't affect the efficacy of their donation.

I hope we focus more on the outcome than the drama.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by [deleted] »

oedenfield wrote: post #22
vvdcect wrote: post #6

Embrace(check), extend(check), and extinguish(?)

MS employee here - the new Microsoft is: Enable (make sure open source runs well on MS platforms) Integrate (make sure MS platforms work well with open source) Release (release key MS technology into open source) Participate (commit MS engineers to participate in communities)

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Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by loudmax »

oedenfield wrote: post #22
vvdcect wrote: post #6

Embrace(check), extend(check), and extinguish(?)

MS employee here - the new Microsoft is: Enable (make sure open source runs well on MS platforms) Integrate (make sure MS platforms work well with open source) Release (release key MS technology into open source) Participate (commit MS engineers to participate in communities)

That's encouraging, and it's fantastic that MS is moving in that direction and that new stuff like VS Code runs Linux. But outside of Silicon Valley, a lot of the world still depends on old stuff like MS Office and SharePoint. Outside of the startup scene the biggest challenge for many of us running Linux is still working around Microsoft's proprietary protocols and file formats.

Please continue moving in this direction. There's still a ways to go.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by [deleted] »

oedenfield wrote: post #22
vvdcect wrote: post #6

Embrace(check), extend(check), and extinguish(?)

MS employee here - the new Microsoft is: Enable (make sure open source runs well on MS platforms) Integrate (make sure MS platforms work well with open source) Release (release key MS technology into open source) Participate (commit MS engineers to participate in communities)

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Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by spacemanmatt »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #39
ss248 wrote: post #23

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I don't get why people downvote this post. It's like everyone completely forgot about Halloween documents[1]. We should be very careful with Microsoft. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

That was 1998. Eighteen years ago.

Many of us were practicing professionals then and it's far from healed. People need to understand history.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by blahi »

BentFranklin wrote: post #30
oedenfield wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS employee here - the new Microsoft is: Enable (make sure open source runs well on MS platforms) Integrate (make sure MS platforms work well with open source) Release (release key MS technology into open source) Participate (commit MS engineers to participate in communities)

Nice of you to say but what about this: https://eugene.kaspersky.com/2016/11/10/thats-it-ive-had-eno... Obviously Kaspersky isn't open source, but the tiger's stripes certainly haven't changed. Also, Microsoft bundling Windows 10 upgrade malware into its security update channel has turned me off Microsoft, probably forever. Still don't understand why installing 10 after being told not to isn't a CFAA violation.

Kaspersky and all of the AV vendors deserve to get wiped out.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

SSLy wrote: post #29
ekianjo wrote: post #16

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Except that Microsoft is still hostile towards Linux with patents at the same time but no one talks about it.

Microsoft loves Linux (the kernel), but they hate with passion anything userland that could ever have the dreaded "GNU" or "GPL" letters anywhere mentioned.

Isn't WSL Linux userland running on NT Kernel? Just the opposite of what you said?

Sorry if I said something silly :)

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by guardian5x »

BentFranklin wrote: post #30
oedenfield wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS employee here - the new Microsoft is: Enable (make sure open source runs well on MS platforms) Integrate (make sure MS platforms work well with open source) Release (release key MS technology into open source) Participate (commit MS engineers to participate in communities)

Nice of you to say but what about this: https://eugene.kaspersky.com/2016/11/10/thats-it-ive-had-eno... Obviously Kaspersky isn't open source, but the tiger's stripes certainly haven't changed. Also, Microsoft bundling Windows 10 upgrade malware into its security update channel has turned me off Microsoft, probably forever. Still don't understand why installing 10 after being told not to isn't a CFAA violation.

That's actually an example of Microsoft making Windows better and offering standardized APIs for anti virus companies. Of course not everyone of them likes it, they have a tradition of messing with the OS in bad ways.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Post by Ant5do »

blackaspen wrote: post #27
rufius wrote: post #24

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The primary backbone of Azure is an OS known as "Red Dog OS". It's based off of Windows, with much of the core kernel tailored by Dave Cutler. When you're running Linux on Azure, it's via Hyper-V or rather the Azure flavored form of it. Windows is very much the core of Azure. Azure Cloud Switch does use Linux - on metal I believe so no virtualization. Edit: a word

Ah! Ok, that actually makes a bit more sense... thanks for clarifying! That's actually quite neat then.

TBC, parts of Azure are now starting to migrate to pure linux on linux.
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