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Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Embrace(check), extend(check), and extinguish(?)

MS employee here - the new Microsoft is: Enable (make sure open source runs well on MS platforms) Integrate (make sure MS platforms work well with open source) Release (release key MS technology into open source) Participate (commit MS engineers to participate in communities)

>Release (release key MS technology into open source)

Will you help wine devs with some source code?

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extingui... Let's see how they'll try the next step.

I really don't see how that strategy would work with open source projects. Wouldn't most contributions for the "extend" phase be open source? Once open source, it's much harder to extinguish.

Mostly just ignore the parent comment, some people are inherently compelled to link a twenty year old business strategy on EVERY Microsoft-related thread.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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post #17

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extingui... Let's see how they'll try the next step.

I really don't see how that strategy would work with open source projects. Wouldn't most contributions for the "extend" phase be open source? Once open source, it's much harder to extinguish.

Nope. In fact, that term is almost always applied to open technology. Right now Red Hat is doing it to Linux and Google is doing it to the Web. See the list of examples on the linked article for more.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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post #17

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extingui... Let's see how they'll try the next step.

I really don't see how that strategy would work with open source projects. Wouldn't most contributions for the "extend" phase be open source? Once open source, it's much harder to extinguish.

Open source means nothing and is same easy to extinguish, it's only more visible when someone is trying to. Microsoft, Google, Apple do open source work for publicity, if you as a single developer want a change in a projects, you submit PR... and wait weeks. First you need to write RFC, at some point RFC will be discussed behind closed doors by corporatisation members, you can have your vote in it on GitHub, but nothing else as we saw once already with MS. All you can do is fix documentation and tests for them, means they get free labour to improve their products, you can have an important repo forked on GitHub.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary backbone of Azure is an OS known as "Red Dog OS". It's based off of Windows, with much of the core kernel tailored by Dave Cutler. When you're running Linux on Azure, it's via Hyper-V or rather the Azure flavored form of it. Windows is very much the core of Azure. Azure Cloud Switch does use Linux - on metal I believe so no virtualization. Edit: a word

Ah! Ok, that actually makes a bit more sense... thanks for clarifying! That's actually quite neat then.

Yup :). It's a common misconception I hear/see a lot.

My source: I work for MSFT, not on Azure but I work with their team a lot and I used to work on Windows.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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So much has changed in 10 years! The old me would never believe how the future me moved more "Micro$oft sucks" to "wow another great product!" I am happy to use Office in wine, as it gives me a very stable experience, full unicode supports even with my Xorg keymaps. I use Visual Studio in wine - not as good as Office, but still very good. I have a Windows phone, a priced relic since Microsoft abandoned them. Rock sta…

>I am happy to use Office in wine, //

It'd be great if companies would support this sort of use if they're not going to bother creating native versions.

I used to play games using PlayOnLinux but the company, Origin (IIRC), updated their game manager software seemingly in order to break the Linux compatibility. The games were paid for and worked perfectly well.

Annoying as hell when companies appear to be actively hostile to you buying their product.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Apparently, being a platinum member entails donating $500k [1], so it's not that big a deal for Microsoft ($85B revenue[2]). And as the article states, there has been negativity in the linux community regarding the old arch-enemy joining their ranks. Looking at the new Microsoft however, I think it's fair to assume that the days of "embrace, extend and extinguish"[3] are over and they are genuinely interested in coop…

While Microsoft was the effective monopoly, they stayed as a monopoly trying to reap the fruits of the new status quo.

It makes financial sense for them to join the Linux Foundation. Joining the Linux Foundation does not make them to, for example, start contributing to WINE, since that does not make financial sense to them.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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post #17

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extingui... Let's see how they'll try the next step.

I really don't see how that strategy would work with open source projects. Wouldn't most contributions for the "extend" phase be open source? Once open source, it's much harder to extinguish.

It would probably be some proprietary extensions in something like systemD. Increase the complexity to code about 10x to eliminate the small devs, etc. Nothing we haven't seen with the open doc standard, ActiveX, Java portability, etc.

You have to think more business like. Why extinguish Linux when every copy running somewhere can give you licencing income. Maybe they'll partner with redhat and provide them something that has to be paid. Unlimited possibilities really.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Embrace(check), extend(check), and extinguish(?)

I don't get why people downvote this post. It's like everyone completely forgot about Halloween documents[1]. We should be very careful with Microsoft. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

That was 1998. Eighteen years ago.
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