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Post by ambicapter »

laumars wrote: post #110
AimHere wrote: post #67

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The next leader of the most powerful nation on earth already elected on a campaign that openly advocated torture and war crimes and made all sorts of racially charged insinuations. The USA seems set to embark on a terrifying policy of mass deportations in a few months. A white supremacist is set to be installed as White House Chief of Staff, and his previous incarnation was as owner of news outlet talking in the publ…

There was more to the Trump campaign than just misinformation on social media. Without wanting to rehash old discussions I think it's fair to say that most of the people who voted for Trump acknowledged his flaws but ultimately found Hillary Clinton less palatable. Personally I don't think there was a single good candidate on the ballot.

Making Hillary unpalatable was part of the alt-right campaign to elect Trump. #SickHillary and other ways of killing her trustworthiness were campaigns imagined and put into effect by Trump sympathizers.

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Post by tomp »

jinfiesto wrote: post #145
the-dude wrote: post #69

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Such heavy claims require evidence. Also, it is painting one group as a whole, which reminds me of ...

I don't think it's painting one group as a whole at all. No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist. Only that many alt-right figure heads are. It's not a heavy claim. With Steve Bannon being appointed to the upcoming White House staff, there's been a parade of examples illustrating the blatant racism of alt-right figureheads. While I appreciate the sentiment that Democrats lost the election by…

> With Steve Bannon being appointed to the upcoming White House staff, there's been a parade of examples illustrating the blatant racism of alt-right figureheads.

I've looked at all the articles claiming that Bannon is "bad" (they use different words, of course), and I'm completely unconvinced. Seems like more of the "all Trump supporters are racist" meme.

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Post by duncanawoods »

FilterSweep wrote: post #150
tajen wrote: post #115

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"A cartoon of Pepe the Frog is a commonly used symbol of the alt-right" is the subtitle of the image in the BBC article. Look at it, the drawing innocence is really staggering: I'm wondering what is the link, whether the link is warranted, and whether Twitter used posts of Pepe the Frog to recognize alt-right people. Sounds like a badly AI-generated inference to me.

The particular situation with pepe the frog is a bit more nuanced than news sources let on. He went from "Feels Bad, Man" comics to being very frequently photoshopped with 3rd reich / swastikas / other neo-nazi logos. Pepe is an interesting case because it brings up the discrepancy between trolling (messing with others in "bad fun") and actual people who vehemently support and push aggressively hateful messages.

>> very frequently photoshopped with 3rd reich

This really is one of the more ridiculous Clinton campaign talking points that just made them look very out of touch.

Pepe is a common meme template. Of the thousands of Pepes that I have unwillingly seen, none were neo-nazi except those in articles accusing Pepe of being a neo-nazi symbol. However, if you go to a deliberately offensive chan then sure, you will find every meme-template being used offensively.

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Post by douche »

mulletbum wrote: post #5

Why does the alt-right have issues with them being banned from systems, but don't see issues with themselves banning others from systems. For example, Twitter bans them from using Twitter, but the /r/The_Donald echo chamber bans anyone with a counter view to their own. If you want freedom to speak on certain platforms, you need to provide the same rights to everyone.

You can't just go off and make your own Twitter, with blackjack, and hookers.

You can more-or-less do that on Reddit.

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Post by cmdrfred »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #131
legodt wrote: post #82

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The very liberal users aren't inciting hate speech, racist, misogynistic, and often times anti semitic attacks on other users en masse

Just to give an example of how this would sound if it were reversed: Liberals are inciting violence using paid operatives(probably including the recent riots), have shot Trump supporters, use powerful institutions(Twitter, universities, etc.) to shut down speech they disagree with, and their most recent presidential candidate has historically been opposed to gay marriage and took foreign money from a country that exe…

"History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes"

Mark my words, racist is the new communist. They didn't even bother to change the colors around, I guess that will save on printing up new propaganda. "You aren't a dirty red are you?"

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Post by snerbles »

derrickdirge wrote: post #116
hermiti wrote: post #33

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The problem with banning hate speech is that it is relative. Next up, books will be banned because they incite alternate opinions.

There's a difference between mere 'alternate opinions' and hateful, prejudiced opinions. It's seems disingenuous for you to conflate them.

The line between the two varies, and is subject to the whims of whoever controls the platform.

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Post by dmschulman »

adekok wrote: post #126
imaginenore wrote: post #80

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Twitter allows threats and bullying when it comes from the left. They refused to ban the freaking jihadists. They have SJWs posting #killallmen, #KillAllWhiteMen #maletears in droves. Nothing ever happens to them. This move is simply political censorship.

For all the people downvoting, it's true: https://twitter.com/hashtag/killallmen About half of the tweets are serious "killallmen" comments. The other half are people complaining about it. And, complaining that twitter won't do anything, despite their terms of service saying such behavior is ban-worthy. Or look at twitter banning Milo... because other people engaged in harassment. People who had no clear tie to Milo.…

You're being intellectually disingenuous to believe that #killallmen is a legitimate threat of violence towards men. Find me some examples of violent feminists lynching and murdering men on the basis of feminist dogma.

Meanwhile, those with racist, bigoted, homophobic, and anti-semitic viewpoints continue to commit actual hate crimes, murders, campaigns of intimidation, and worse.

So yeah, you're making a typical strawman argument to deflect legitimate criticism and turn the conversation away from the topic at hand. Not worth engaging you further on this point, but if you want to discuss the topic at hand, I'm all ears.

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Post by legodt »

striking wrote: post #193
legodt wrote: post #163

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The nation of Islam is a horribly depressing group also standing on a platform kf misogyny and anti semitism. They are an extremist group that luckily has been waning in recent years. Also, unlike white people, they have never held a monopoly on power, instated discriminatory laws, stopped white people from securing proper jobs or housing, or became police offers that then killed white people with impunity.

> They are an extremist group that luckily has been waning in recent years. That's plainly wrong. https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/hate_group_bre... NoI and black separatist groups like it have only been growing in number since 2005. > unlike white people, they have never held a monopoly on power A monopoly means exclusive control, by one group . Excuse me, do we not have an African-American president? A…

A black president does not absolve the racist elements of America. Full stop. Do you think having a black president suddenly stops racist governors, judges, or prosecutors from existing?

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Post by Digory »

mhurron wrote: post #118
mwill wrote: post #14

I can only see this as furthering the echo chamber that caused many to be so blindsided by Trumps victory. I would like to see specifically why these people were suspended. If they're engaged in harassment obviously the suspension should hold up. If it really is just mass reporting for political speech (I've had friends msging 'targets' for reporting purely for them admitting to voting for Trump), I can only see it a…

People were blindsided because the majority didn't vote for Trump, but the US's backwards system meant that didn't matter. In a democratic system where everyone's vote was equal, we would not have President-Elect Trump.

Everyone knew it was a close election, and that the system we have is the system we have. It's not like the DNC was surprised by the electoral college last week.

People were blindsided because polling scientists treated the states discretely. What were the odds that Trump wins Ohio and Florida and Wisconsin and Michigan? This wasn't four separate battles -- it turns out that if he wins one of them, the odds are pretty good he wins all of them.

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