MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown • Hacker News Board

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by pilif » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

anonymfus wrote: post #20

audunw wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

".. content consumption appliances like .." That's still quite a hyperbole isn't it? Is 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 for content consumption? Is 3.1/2.1Gbps SSD for content consumption? Edit: Is a super accurate and wide color gamut screen for content consumption? "Next step of this internal plan involves processors." What exactly are you alluding to here? Apple designing its own processor? x86 or ARM? Do you think Apple wil…

>Is 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 for content consumption? Considering that using USB3 bandwidth disables WiFi[1], yes. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o

I'm sure this is intentional design and working completely as intended /s

Have you considered that there could be a hardware- or software issue causing this that could be fixed later on?

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by maxerickson » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:15 PM UTC

bwindels wrote: post #29

> Repairability 1 out of 10 This is my main reason to stop buying Apple hardware, not so much the lack of an Esc key. The Mid 2012 model still scored 7 / 10.

I have used 1 Apple device in the last 15 years, an iPod shuffle I got as a gift (I shorted it out by sweating near it).

Are other manufacturers doing much better? On my older laptop, the HDD is 2 screws to access. On the laptop my mom used previously, you had to take the CPU fan assembly out after removing the keyboard to get at the HDD.

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by korginator » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:16 PM UTC

This is really an iPad running MacOS, with everything soldered on, zero upgradeability and near-zero repairability. That's the antithesis of a "professional" machine.

I wonder if we'll see a similar trend with the mac pro if Apple doesn't decide to scrap it completely.

We run quite a few mac pros and macbook pros at work, so this has us thinking hard.

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by 8draco8 » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:16 PM UTC

I will copy very interesting question from ifixit:

> How do you do a power rest if the machine hangs? Before you held down the power button for a few seconds. Would that work with a touch ID button?

Any ideas?

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by kalleboo » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:18 PM UTC

korginator wrote: post #33

This is really an iPad running MacOS, with everything soldered on, zero upgradeability and near-zero repairability. That's the antithesis of a "professional" machine. I wonder if we'll see a similar trend with the mac pro if Apple doesn't decide to scrap it completely. We run quite a few mac pros and macbook pros at work, so this has us thinking hard.

They already have an iPad they call "Pro". "Pro" doesn't mean anything to Apple anymore. (unless you want to go cynical and say it means Profits)

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by audunw » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:19 PM UTC

anonymfus wrote: post #20

audunw wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

".. content consumption appliances like .." That's still quite a hyperbole isn't it? Is 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 for content consumption? Is 3.1/2.1Gbps SSD for content consumption? Edit: Is a super accurate and wide color gamut screen for content consumption? "Next step of this internal plan involves processors." What exactly are you alluding to here? Apple designing its own processor? x86 or ARM? Do you think Apple wil…

>Is 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 for content consumption? Considering that using USB3 bandwidth disables WiFi[1], yes. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o

See, why do you have to use the "it's for consumers" argument when it doesn't apply?

If it's a laptop which includes features which is WAY beyond the requirements of your average consumer, and with the price to boot, it's not a consumer laptop.

Maybe the specs don't quite match certain specific professional users requirements. Maybe certain features are broken. Maybe there are flaws in the product.

Those issues can be addressed on their own.

You don't have to tie it to some misguided idea that Apple is making it with the intent of content consumption.

That people have to attach their critique to some far-fetched speculation about Apples motivations signals that they may not think the critique can stand on its own. Which is a shame, because often it can.

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by 1123581321 » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:20 PM UTC

revelation wrote: post #3

They sure as hell sacrificed a lot of battery for those useless stereo speakers.

I can only speak for myself, but I use my laptop speakers daily. I have a MBP and bought Boom 2 to make it a little louder when listening to people speaking. I'd certainly rather have them natively play that loudly. For me, the battery life tradeoff is worth it as six hours is about how much battery life I tend to use. That said, I recognize that having ten or twelve hours would change my behavior and expectations.

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by gutnor » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:23 PM UTC

f_allwein wrote: post #2

Repairability score: 1 out of 10. No big surprise.

They could have done 2 if the SSD was user replaceable.

You have to carefully planned your MBP configuration, unfortunately SSD upgrade are terribly expensive. An extra 25% of the price to go from 256GB to 1TB.

Actually that's probably fine for a professional machine, as you will be alright with a smaller disk until you replace the MBP anyway. For a power-user machine that you plan to keep several (5+) years, that's another story.

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by rasz_pl » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:24 PM UTC

audunw wrote: post #11

rasz_pl wrote: post #10

I told you SSD will be permanently soldered to the PCB, received downvotes in return :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12826005 Apple finally decided with this round of macbooks to shift from producing laptops into content consumption appliances like iPhone. Next step of this internal plan involves processors.

".. content consumption appliances like .." That's still quite a hyperbole isn't it? Is 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 for content consumption? Is 3.1/2.1Gbps SSD for content consumption? Edit: Is a super accurate and wide color gamut screen for content consumption? "Next step of this internal plan involves processors." What exactly are you alluding to here? Apple designing its own processor? x86 or ARM? Do you think Apple wil…

Im not alluding anything, Im telling you whats going to happen just like I told you about non removable SSD when nobody publicly knew about it.

Re: MacBook Pro 13" Touch Bar Teardown

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Post by rasz_pl » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 1:31 PM UTC

sp0rk wrote: post #21

rasz_pl wrote: post #10

I told you SSD will be permanently soldered to the PCB, received downvotes in return :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12826005 Apple finally decided with this round of macbooks to shift from producing laptops into content consumption appliances like iPhone. Next step of this internal plan involves processors.

> I told you SSD will be permanently soldered to the PCB, received downvotes in return Just because your prediction/information turned out to be correct does not mean that your comment was useful at the time. Why would anybody trust information left in a random HN comment by somebody that isn't even going to attempt to explain their source or reasoning?

Im not as brave as my Chinese friends.