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Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by flockonus »

barrkel wrote: post #142
flockonus wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such case to be made. If viral fake news influence even some tiny percentage, there is already responsibility on social media for how this elections turned out. Yes, quite possibly >90% of the people would have voted the same way regardless of news, still we all know the "swing" makes all the difference

If only 45% voted for Trump, they wouldn't have valid opinions? If 5% made the difference, then 90% of the votes for Trump don't form a mandate? There's a problem here - first past the post voting - but there's also another problem: denial of the legitimacy of an opposition. The vast majority of the people who voted for Trump have valid opinions. You can't just dismiss them.

Definitely a valid government regardless of what influenced it. Attributing cause to vote swing does not take legitimacy away, it's just being honest

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Post by ThomPete »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #161
ThomPete wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article claims that Zuckerberg is wrong in his claim that the fake news affected the election in any meaningful way. Thats what I am talking about, not sure what exactly make you say it's a straw man.

I don't even know what kind of point you're trying to make now. In your post you describe a class of individuals so out of touch that they can't believe Trump voters weren't tricked, yet admit that fake news exists and is a problem. Which is it, bub?

Ok lets try again.

It's not enough of a problem i.e. it din't affect the election in any meaningful way.

Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

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Post by ThomPete »

K0SM0S wrote: post #122
ThomPete wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether it effects election which is what the article claims he is in denial about. "Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s chief, believes that it is “a pretty crazy idea” that “fake news on Facebook, which is a very small amount of content, influenced the election in any way.” In holding fast to the claim that his company has little effect on how people make up their mind…

The fact is that Facebook is not a media company. In some countries (e.g. most of Europe) where this distinction makes tremendous differences (the media being much more regulated than other for-profit companies), they are pretty adamant about it. Understandably so, business-wise. Regardless of whether their assumption is true or not, I wouldn't expect the CEO of said company to just come out and say "oh yeah, sure, w…

I am not taking his word for it. Thats my opinion regardless of what Zuckerberg says.

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Post by davesque »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #108
ThomPete wrote: post #11

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

1) Anecdote is not evidence. 2) In one breath you dismiss this article as elitism, and in the very next admit the problem of fake news, which is exactly what this article is talking about. It's not another discussion. It is exactly this discussion. I've never seen such a blatant use of straw man.

Welcome to post-Trump America.
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