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Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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Why aren't you using tapes? Wouldn't that be more suited for back ups - larger and less failures. You probably don't have a lot of reads anyways?

Yev from Backblaze here -> Tape tends to have much higher read times, and can even be more expensive than hard drives in some cases. Since we have Backblaze B2 the data needs to be highly available.

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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It's a mixture of a couple things. One is that we tend to run pretty lean and our engineers are all booked up for the foreseeable future. Linux users are a passionate community, but we can't quite justify the development time for a market segment that is not very large. Additionally, because we run an unlimited model, a lot of people would immediately sign up and back up their Linux servers for $5/month and we'd sail…

It's worth considering though that the Linux compatibility is worth more than the actual market share. Our company (with roughly 90% Mac / 5% Linux / 5% Windows users) went with Crashplan to have a single backup solution for all of the employees.

Absolutely, and that makes perfect sense. Having one system in place definitely beats out multiples. We know we can't be all things for all folks, but Crashplan is great, no hard feelings ;)

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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I was thinking of a Frankendrive with 5 actuators, which can do 5 parallel reads/writes, as long as they don't overlap. But the new dimensions would probably be the roadblock.

I was going to ask this too, but start with a simple 2nd voice coil on the opposite side of the spindle, keep the 3.5" form factor and just make it longer. My guess is the motion of one actuator would disrupt the airflow of the other, since we're talking about micrometer-ish (?) mechanical tolerances. This might be able to be mitigated by interleaving which side each arm wrote to. So the left arm's heads address the…

Perhaps another option is to go back to the 1980's hdd designs where the arm moves straight down the radius of the platter. This design might permit multiple heads on the same arm.

At my first job, sysadmin and programming on a PDP-11/44, 1-2 fascinating Winchester drives were procured for it. They had clear plastic covers, and you could see everything, the disk, the actuator, which had two heads, and it was by and large square, I'm almost positive it was rotary, not solenoid based straight stroke like many '70-80s drives, CDC's famous line in particular.

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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Disclaimer: I work at Backblaze. We securely wipe the drives, then we sell them to a "used hard drive reseller".

Does "secure wipe" mean ATA SE, i.e. hdparm --security-erase, or --security-erase-enhanced?

For that volume I'd think a degausser would be used.

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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With hard drive size increasing so quickly but hard drive transfer speeds basically flat, I wonder if there are long-term implications for them with respect to recovery from backup and downtime. For example, if a whole rack goes down, and they are on 32TB drives in the future, for example, could it takes a week or more for their data to get online?

Internet connection speeds have been flat longer so it eves out I guess.

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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I chose to get 4 ST4000DM000 drives based on previous reports. Sure HGST drives never die, but it's cheaper to RMA or buy a single new drive if one fails, than the added cost of 4 reliable drives. Assuming only one fails, which is a risk I'm willing to take with my very non-mission-critical data. I don't read this as 'which drive to buy' but more as 'which drive not to buy'.

> HGST drives never die Disclaimer: I work at Backblaze. I know you didn't mean that as an absolute, but I just want to point out 100% of drives fail. It's my OCD that makes me point this out. We have NEVER found a drive that lasted forever. There are two types of drives: 1) those that have already failed, and 2) those that are about to fail. For any data you would be annoyed to lose, you need three copies in three l…

18 disk zpool with three raidz2 vdevs, with 2 disks from 3 different vendors per vdev, bought in two batches per vendor and evenly spread across the case. That's about as paranoid as I consider practical for the homelab/online part of my storage needs.

Also, not sure there are three pieces of storage software that I trust and are readily available to me.

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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post #94

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Does "secure wipe" mean ATA SE, i.e. hdparm --security-erase, or --security-erase-enhanced?

For that volume I'd think a degausser would be used.

AFAIK, if you physically destroy the contents of a drive with a strong magnetic field, you also destroy the servo tracks, rendering the drive useless. Modern hard drives can't "low-level format" themselves; they're not mechanically precise enough.

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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post #6

Anyone have a reason why the WD30EFRX has such poor reliability in their last table? Granted it's a smaller sample size. Only asking 'cause it's my main data hard drive...

The smaller sample size is accounted for by the width of the confidence interval, which is 5.2% - 7.1%; even the low end of that still looks pretty bad.

Re: Backblaze hard drive reliability stats for Q3 2016

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Looks like they're offline. Google cache link: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DNdyZ1...

Backblaze always gives great stats with these. I upvoted the story before looking at it.

same here - I build a lot of home servers and base a lot of my HDD purchases based on these.
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