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Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by mark_l_watson »

eggie wrote: post #60
mark_l_watson wrote: post #52

I don't trust the main stream media at all. As part of my long term research on NLP + text mining, I got in the habit of using English language news article from around the world as a text corpus. As part of this process I noticed the disconnect to US coverage compared to foreign news sources. Realizing that everyone has their own agenda, this experience still makes me sceptical of our news. That said, I am also very…

Would you characterize the disconnect you found a bit more?

Mostly dealing with our military operations (e.g., civilian casualties), that we are savior of the free world, how life in other countries is so much worse than in the USA (large dose of American exceptionalism).

The USA is a great place, but there are also many other countries that are also great places.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by talmand »

ThomPete wrote: post #21
conistonwater wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not the argument in the opinion piece at all. What are you responding to?

Here is an examples which illustrates it perfectly well: "After the election, Mr. Zuckerberg claimed that the fake news was a problem on “both sides” of the race. That’s wrong. There are, of course, viral fake anti-Trump memes, but reporters have found that the spread of false news is far more common on the right than it is on the left."

This

>> but reporters have found that the spread of false news is far more common on the right than it is on the left."

does not make this

>> Mr. Zuckerberg claimed that the fake news was a problem on “both sides” of the race

incorrect.

One side does not get a pass because it was the lesser problem.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by a_lihu »

And this is coming from NYT, a bullshit venue, whose boss said in a recent letter: "... we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism. That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor ...". NYT should close the business, nobody trusts them anymore.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by ThomPete »

ceejay wrote: post #61
ThomPete wrote: post #11

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

I think there are fake stories that reinforce your current predisposition and then there are fake stories that a vulnerable human being reads and it takes their beliefs to the fringe. Also, I have a hard time believing that seeing one or two stray bogus stories is the same as seeing bogus stories everywhere you care to look. In one case a vulnerable human being might have enough reason to doubt what they're reading,…

Who is talking about everywhere you care to look? Thats a completely made up claim.

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Post by BeetleB »

ThomPete wrote: post #11

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

>The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies.

I agree with what you're trying to say, but you are being overly broad.

Talk to Trump supporters prior to the election, and with the exception of "anti-establishment", most of them will give reasons that they were tricked into believing.

Go to fact checking web sites and look at all the statements Trump continually repeated that were demonstrably false, and see how many of them the supporters believed (hint: many of them).

So yes, they were fed lies and believed them.

However, you are correct in that it was not the only reason why they voted for him. They believed those lies as post-hoc justification for their picking him. Really no different from people who pick any candidate, including Hilary.

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

ThomPete wrote: post #11

I don't believe he is in denial at all. In fact the article strikes me as more of the same reason why so many voted for Trump. The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies. The idea that because they have a different reality they based their votes on never occurred to them. What fake news do is reinoforce what peopl…

> The people who write these articles just can't accept the idea that people didn't vote for Trump unless they were tricked into it, or were fed lies.

This looks like a middle ground fallacy.

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Post by ceejay »

ThomPete wrote: post #84
ceejay wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are fake stories that reinforce your current predisposition and then there are fake stories that a vulnerable human being reads and it takes their beliefs to the fringe. Also, I have a hard time believing that seeing one or two stray bogus stories is the same as seeing bogus stories everywhere you care to look. In one case a vulnerable human being might have enough reason to doubt what they're reading,…

Who is talking about everywhere you care to look? Thats a completely made up claim.

http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed/

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is in Denial

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Post by ThomPete »

talmand wrote: post #82
ThomPete wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is an examples which illustrates it perfectly well: "After the election, Mr. Zuckerberg claimed that the fake news was a problem on “both sides” of the race. That’s wrong. There are, of course, viral fake anti-Trump memes, but reporters have found that the spread of false news is far more common on the right than it is on the left."

This >> but reporters have found that the spread of false news is far more common on the right than it is on the left." does not make this >> Mr. Zuckerberg claimed that the fake news was a problem on “both sides” of the race incorrect. One side does not get a pass because it was the lesser problem.

But we aren't talking about that.

We are talking about whether it effects election which is what the article claims he is in denial about.

"Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s chief, believes that it is “a pretty crazy idea” that “fake news on Facebook, which is a very small amount of content, influenced the election in any way.” In holding fast to the claim that his company has little effect on how people make up their minds, Mr. Zuckerberg is doing real damage to American democracy — and to the world."

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Post by jimbokun »

ThomPete wrote: post #30
splawn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a look at his comment history, that is Thom's MO. Trump being elected due to misinformation triggers the crap out of him for some reason.

What about making the case that it did happen because of misinformation instead of focusing on my comment history? I have said a lot of things on both sides and is hardly just some troll. We all have our triggers, this is one for me so whats wrong with that?

Because you arguing that rampant misinformation is not a threat to a well functioning democracy is so manifestly nihilistic and trollish there's really no point in even discussing it further.
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