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Re: Ask HN: Best encrypted messaging app atm?

#21
At the moment, Signal and Wire seem to be the best options. They have open-source clients, end-to-end encryption, are easy enough to use that even less-computer savy people can be realistically convinced to use them and they seem to offer decent protection for metadata (not technical, but policy-wise).

There are, however, some upcoming developments which will change the situation in the next couple of months:

1) The main matrix.org client, Riot (https://riot.im) has end-to-end encryption now in beta. This will offer Signal-strength encryption, but in a decentralized, e-mail-like system with federated servers. This will create an ecosystem where people are no longer dependent on the goodwill (and solvency) of a single entity to use a good, encrypted messaging app.

2) Briar (https://briarproject.org) is a new (Android-only) app, designed for people with an especially high need for privacy. It works without central servers (through Tor hidden services, but hides the complexity of that), even works when the internet is down (e.g. when mobile networks are shut down during a protest) via Bluetooth and direct Wi-Fi connections, and it offers extra features, like a panic button that deletes all your data. It's in beta at the moment, with a planned release early next year.

TL;DR: Use Signal or Wire for now, but be ready to switch to a better system when available.

Re: Ask HN: Best encrypted messaging app atm?

#22
The most secure app is Biocoded: https://biocoded.com/home. The reason we claim it is the most secure is:

- Encrypted local on-device storage. We have an always-on mechanism and never store the entire local storage decryption key on the device. It's half on the device and half on the server. In case of lost or stolen device, all data is still safe. In fact you can effectively "wipe" your biocoded app data even if the device is offline by deleting the server part of the decryption key.

- We allow private servers (not for free).

- Double ratchet algorithm for communication.

Re: Ask HN: Best encrypted messaging app atm?

#23
I am working on a messaging & email encryption platform (for the reason you mentioned) which will finally make encryption easy to use for non tech savvy people. It is based on PGP, source will be available. If anyone is interested in helping, giving feedback or learning more send me an email (in my bio or my username at gmail.com)

Re: Ask HN: Best encrypted messaging app atm?

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post #22

The most secure app is Biocoded: https://biocoded.com/home . The reason we claim it is the most secure is: - Encrypted local on-device storage. We have an always-on mechanism and never store the entire local storage decryption key on the device. It's half on the device and half on the server. In case of lost or stolen device, all data is still safe. In fact you can effectively "wipe" your biocoded app data even if th…

Where is the source code?

Re: Ask HN: Best encrypted messaging app atm?

#25

I like https://wire.com and https://threema.ch/en

Wire was in the middle of a shitstorm a while back iirc because it falsly advertised that it encrypted everything end-to-end, when in actual fact only text was so.

Would you mind backing that up with a link?

Re: Ask HN: Best encrypted messaging app atm?

#29

Doesn't say to require to be instant messaging, so my best suggestion: A pigeon with sd card tied to its leg with PGP encrypted data.

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

—Tanenbaum, Andrew S.

Re: Ask HN: Best encrypted messaging app atm?

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Security people recommend Signal a lot (e.g. https://medium.com/@thegrugq/signal-intelligence-free-for-al... , Snowden uses it and repeatedly recommended it: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/661313394906161152 , ...). Personally, I use it all the time and it's nice. Most of the initial problems have been sorted out, so I encourage anyone who's had trouble with it before to try it out again. It has text (one-on-one…

Encrypted video calls will crush mobile CPUs in my opinion, but indeed it would be nice to have one.
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