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Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Author here. It has gotten kind of hard to follow what has happened, so here's a chronology: 1. In September, Chrome 53 was released, which enabled mandatory Certificate Transparency for Symantec certificates due to Symantec's history of incompetence. Some website operators, such as Chase, asked Symantec to submit their certificates to Certificate Transparency logs in such a way that the certificate wouldn't be trust…

Is there any reason, in 2016, to use Symantec over LetsEncrypt?

When it comes to Certificate Transparency, LE doesn't bed SCTs in the issued certificates, which is mildly annoying.

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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I am in China, when I open baidu.com, zhihu.com, Chromium will throw the private error. There is an interesting solution, on the page of private error, input "badidea", the browser will automaticly redirect to the targeted website. But it may be a "bad idea". Now I use Firefox to open these sites.

Chrome had a different bypass password until recently. They've shown that when a password catches on among the wrong folks they will change it.

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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This has been wreaking havoc for matrix.org and riot.im all day - we blogged about it earlier: https://matrix.org/blog/2016/11/14/ssl-issues-with-chromium . Tempted to move off RapidSSL wildcard certs to a bajillion LetsEncrypts...

Watch out for the rate limits: https://letsencrypt.org/docs/rate-limits/

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Author here. It has gotten kind of hard to follow what has happened, so here's a chronology: 1. In September, Chrome 53 was released, which enabled mandatory Certificate Transparency for Symantec certificates due to Symantec's history of incompetence. Some website operators, such as Chase, asked Symantec to submit their certificates to Certificate Transparency logs in such a way that the certificate wouldn't be trust…

The Chrome team was able to fix this within 24 hours by remotely disabling CT enforcement in Chrome. (When Chrome starts up, it fetches a list of feature flags from a Chrome server using a system called Finch which is independent of the normal upgrade system.) After reading the blogpost, it seems like it was working as intended. Why "fix" it?

The expiration was designed back when Certificate Transparency was only required to make Extended Validation certificates display a green bar. The intention was never to make certificates fail entirely when a Chrome build was more than 10 weeks old. Now that CT is being used for more than just a green bar, the log list expiration is being revisited.

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Author here. It has gotten kind of hard to follow what has happened, so here's a chronology: 1. In September, Chrome 53 was released, which enabled mandatory Certificate Transparency for Symantec certificates due to Symantec's history of incompetence. Some website operators, such as Chase, asked Symantec to submit their certificates to Certificate Transparency logs in such a way that the certificate wouldn't be trust…

Is there any reason, in 2016, to use Symantec over LetsEncrypt?

I can't speak for Symantec, but folks use SSLMate (which resells Comodo) because of the customer support, the wildcard certificates, the lack of rate limits, and the central management of certificates (which integrates with Cert Spotter, our Certificate Transparency monitor). Also, some of our customers have special requirements and unfortunately can't automate certificate issuance. These customers want year long certificates with email validation, but still prefer using SSLMate's command line workflow over the clunky web interfaces of most CAs.

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use wildcard certs for a number of domains to support affiliate subdomains. So affiliate.example.com and affiliate2.example.com are all served by the same servers and thus all need to validate with one cert.

You can use SAN certificates to avoid wildcards while still validating for a number of domains. They don't even need to be subdomains.

There's a limit to how many SAN's you can fit in one cert. There is apparently no defined upper bound, but dependent on the client's implementation. 25 - 100 names seems to be the common limit supported by most registrars.

In the parent poster's case, it sounds like a good use case for a wildcard cert. They may have thousands of affiliates, and may not know all of the affiliates ahead of time, so with a SAN cert, would need to reissue the certificate each time a new affiliate signs up.

https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/subjectaltname-certifica...

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using HSTS on a website will generally prevent your browser from allowing you to continue, which is fair: the website owner has explicitly indicated the website should only ever be used over a encrypted connection, and that is not the case..

I understand who owns the website. Who owns my browser?

The manufacturer.

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Author here. It has gotten kind of hard to follow what has happened, so here's a chronology: 1. In September, Chrome 53 was released, which enabled mandatory Certificate Transparency for Symantec certificates due to Symantec's history of incompetence. Some website operators, such as Chase, asked Symantec to submit their certificates to Certificate Transparency logs in such a way that the certificate wouldn't be trust…

» When Chrome starts up, it fetches a list of feature flags from a Chrome server using a system called Finch which is independent of the normal upgrade system.

I'm not a Chrome user. But that sounds awful at first. What is the idea behind this service? Is there any documentation about the 'features' these flags can enable/disable?

I understand that I'm paranoid at times AND I really dislike Google, but why would you have an extra channel to influence deployments, other than offering a global update file?

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Author here. It has gotten kind of hard to follow what has happened, so here's a chronology: 1. In September, Chrome 53 was released, which enabled mandatory Certificate Transparency for Symantec certificates due to Symantec's history of incompetence. Some website operators, such as Chase, asked Symantec to submit their certificates to Certificate Transparency logs in such a way that the certificate wouldn't be trust…

» When Chrome starts up, it fetches a list of feature flags from a Chrome server using a system called Finch which is independent of the normal upgrade system. I'm not a Chrome user. But that sounds awful at first. What is the idea behind this service? Is there any documentation about the 'features' these flags can enable/disable? I understand that I'm paranoid at times AND I really dislike Google, but why would you…

If you "really" dislike Google, then why are you using Chrome?

Re: Why Chrome 53 Is Rejecting Chase Bank's Symantec Certificate

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Author here. It has gotten kind of hard to follow what has happened, so here's a chronology: 1. In September, Chrome 53 was released, which enabled mandatory Certificate Transparency for Symantec certificates due to Symantec's history of incompetence. Some website operators, such as Chase, asked Symantec to submit their certificates to Certificate Transparency logs in such a way that the certificate wouldn't be trust…

» When Chrome starts up, it fetches a list of feature flags from a Chrome server using a system called Finch which is independent of the normal upgrade system. I'm not a Chrome user. But that sounds awful at first. What is the idea behind this service? Is there any documentation about the 'features' these flags can enable/disable? I understand that I'm paranoid at times AND I really dislike Google, but why would you…

I fail to see this as any more harmful than the auto updating feature. I understand the concern of multiple avenues to phone home as being worse than one, but it's negligible considering it's the same company. Coupled with all of their other services for security incidents, prediction, auto correct, spelling, usage stats, dangerous page warnings, etc, I think it's just another log on the fire and not worth being concerned about specifically.
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