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Along similar lines (someone grabbing on to an email address and blaming the recipient for their problems), from a few years back: the city of Tuttle, OK vs. CentOS http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/ http://www.jaduncan.com/2006/03/centos-vs-city-of-tuttle.htm...
> I am computer literate! I have 22 years in computer systems engineering and operation. good grief. that poor cent os person.
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Nowhere did willhslade say that it does. He said that comparing Knuth's style to Torvalds's isn't very enlightening because they are fundamentally engaged in different activities. Comparing Knuth to Torvalds and saying "look, you don't have to be an asshole to be a great leader" is like comparing Usain Bolt to Dean Karnazes and saying "look, you don't have to be really muscular to be a great sprinter." The comparison…
> Find a successful leader of a large-scale piece of software who doesn't have a reputation for being an asshole and use them for the comparison. So pretty much everyone except for Torvalds and de Raadt? Those guys are the exception and not the rule.
I agree, still the exception, but I feel like it's extremely unfair to say "everyone except" and forget the devil himself :)
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example.com has an empty MX record, so you can't really send email to it anyway.
“Empty”? It does not have an MX record.
Off topic, but what's the deal behind the bluetooth audio lag? Does it apply to calls as well? I've experienced it with music. Is this an Android problem or a problem that could be fixed by the automakers?
Relevant HN threads: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9386994
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The other day, I tried an underhanded trick in a board game and won, and my friend said something along the lines of "You are a real piece of shit." She was really frustrated that I'd managed to trick her like that, but I knew there wasn't any real hatred underneath and I took it as a compliment. Would you harass my friend for our friendly banter, since the fact that we are both 100% OK with the conversation is irrel…
Yep. I would like to think I would be respectful in informing her I found her comment impolite, just like I would tell someone who said something sexist that their comment is unacceptable.
Behavior like that makes me far more angry than rude comments.
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Knuth is such a class act. I don't think I've ever heard a negative story about him. Contrast him to, say, the harsh laguage Linus Torvalds routinely engages in or the many stories pointing out Steve Jobs' unfriendly side. I'm not 100% sure if you have to be a jerk to get ahead in life and lean towards 'yes' on this but when I see guys like Knuth, I wonder if nice guys do win sometimes. >TXT2COM As an 80s BBS kid, I…
Logged in to upvote your comment, hopefully you won't be disuaded by downvotes. Maybe this whole "deal with my being unpleasant" thing stems from people seeking to justify their unwilingness or inability to practice self-control. Whatever the reason it is detrimental and worthy of being opposed to. It's one thing to be unpleasant to people who are obstinate. It's another to be unpleasant to people who are ignorant. A…
I actually fear the day, when somebody more polite gets in and lets it known, (unintentionally, of course), that shitty, rookie code is now fine, that being lazy and not treating the trust that has been placed upon you by being a subsystem maintainer for the most important software project of the 21st century - if you don't consider that an important enough responsibility and are willing to embarrass Linus, who put his trust in you, then yeah, I don't mind him being rude.
I would mind if he was rude to first time contributors fixing a typo, that's not who he's rude at.
He can't fire these people as such, many of them work for sponsors who pay his salary and he has no direct control over them, so being rude is one of his last resorts - especially since it's hard to express just how hardly displeased over email WITHOUT being "rude".
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I think ldfdr made a good point in his sibling comment that deeming something as "unpleasant" is highly tied to your personal perceptions of what civility is, etc, which is generally rooted in your culture and where you grew up. I think we have to work to understand each other as much as possible and understand people come into conversations with different expectations. I think with someone like Linus we also have to…
part of that is not assigning value judgements to a communication style. I disagree with this kind of pluralism. Communication style and skill matter deeply, but styles aren't simply "different but equal". In the current context, it's easy for technical people to dismiss everything but the "content", usually a kind of reductio ad absurdum to "technical content". But communication, by definition, involves the audience…
It's certainly not that simple. This only makes sense if your goal is to communicate in a culturally-agnostic manner, which is not something you can reliably do. It's like flag burning: you can't really communicate the same point better in another way. It at least makes some sense to tromp on people's emotions in a context where you are trying to teach them that their emotions are an obstacle to success.
It is important for the teacher to understand the student, but it is arguably more important for the student to understand the teacher.
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Your arguments are internally inconsistent. Up one level, you argue that newcomers should adapt to the norms of different cultures, rather than expecting everybody to conform to their own expectations (fine). rpcastanga points out that Linus is behaving according to the norms of the linux community culture, and by your own argument newcomers should adapt to that culture rather than demanding Linus conform to "profess…
Hi, > Up one level, you argue that newcomers should adapt to the norms of different cultures My point was that newcomers can and do adopt norms quickly and easily. Therefore, bad behavior isn't due to 'cultural differences'; those are easily overcome. > Your arguments are internally inconsistent A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines . I'm afrai…
Sure, but making sure your defence of your argument doesn't contradict your argument can hardly be considered to be a foolish consistency.
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> Find a successful leader of a large-scale piece of software who doesn't have a reputation for being an asshole and use them for the comparison. So pretty much everyone except for Torvalds and de Raadt? Those guys are the exception and not the rule.
Bezos, Ellison. I agree, still the exception, but I feel like it's extremely unfair to say "everyone except" and forget the devil himself :)
How can you find text of license of curl in Toyota? I have friend with Toyota wanted to verify. Or maybe someone in this thread can verify this? Is it somewhere in user-guide? Seriously how people can possibly think some random email from user guide or whatever text they find in car is valid support channel? It is either completely idiotic or there's something wrong with Toyota information guide that leads to this mi…