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Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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I am really really excited about lab grown meat making it into the mass market and ultimately becoming cheaper than traditional meat. The environmental benefits will be insane; how much of the earth is currently devoted to either raising animals or growing feed to feed animals? If we can centralise the production of meat, suddenly we have huge swathes of land that, perhaps naively, I hope can be reforested.

I'm currently looking at my bag of Cheetos and there is a largish 'warning'/statement on the back that says : "Produced with Genetic Engineering." Economics aside, I think you are going to have to put something like that on every unit of lab-meat that is sold, if not those words exactly (depends on the tech). People, for some reason, have gotten onto the 'Organic = Better' bus. Lab-meat is going to have to go against that zeitgeist. We already know that people will pay a lot more for 'organic' beef burgers, so I think we can say that the ethical issues are not in fact issues for most consumers, the health ones are though. Lab-meat, for most American consumers, is a no-go. Say McD's uses lab-meat, and they can undercut the price of a 'cheeseburger' by, what, 25%? A lot of people are still going to go to BK, as their marketers will gleefully and truthfully advertise that their burgers are 'real.' Outside of Sodexo, frozen dinners, and HotPocket, the only people that are going to buy lab-meat products are the dreadfully poor ones. A large market, unfortunately, but not one that you can reap big margins from.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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You don't need to go all the way to "socially unacceptable". All that needs to happen is for the synthetic meat to test better than regular meat.

test, or taste? Have there been cases of things where the artificial equivalent is better than the original?

Yeah, taste

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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Every farm animal has vaccine production built-in, so it does not matter.

This is not true. They can produce their own antibodies, but will still become infected.

Most of these infections are easy to detect and cure with vitamins and antibiotics. For billions of lbs of meat consumed monthly in USA, how often this is the problem? Diseases are not a (massive) problem when animals already have quite effective immune system.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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Ethical considerations have all but removed cage eggs from supermarkets where I live, despite them now being around a third the price of free range eggs. If an issue gets enough visibility and there's a halfway viable alternative, don't discount slacktivism and squick factor as a significant economic force.

Solar was the ethical choice but it didn't really take off till it reached parity with other sources of electricity production. Electricity cars are the more ethical choice and last few years people are paying more for it but it will only take off when it comes into parity with gasoline cars.

Solar panels and electric cars are a large up front cost for a very long range, abstract benefit. Buying more ethical groceries is a small up-front cost for an immediate warm-fuzzy.

This shouldn't come as a surprise, most people are tragics for sacrificing the long term to boost the short term - witness the ubiquity of credit card debt.

I'd guess vat-grown beef would fall more into the free-range egg scenario than the solar-panel scenario (although probably with less emotional baggage since beef cattle are generally pictured as happy cows eating grass in a field, whereas cage hens are pitiful to behold.)

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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Yes, or human.

It's actually a fun question to ask people, whether they would eat a synthetic meat that was designed to taste like human meat. You will perhaps understandably get a lot of weird looks and squirms.

I'm not sure if you can call it "designed to taste like human meat" when it's actually human meat that just wasn't produced in a human, though that's another interesting breakdown.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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I imagine that would be a one time subsidy, not annually?

Depends, if the benefit is from having them remain there then an annual tax credit or similar seems reasonable. You probably don't want a situation where you get paid more for annual logging and replanting then maintaining a forest in place.

You might, if the harvested wood were used for permanent structures. The whole operation would be a carbon sink.
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