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Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by greenshackle2 »

ffjffsfr wrote: post #119

How can you find text of license of curl in Toyota? I have friend with Toyota wanted to verify. Or maybe someone in this thread can verify this? Is it somewhere in user-guide? Seriously how people can possibly think some random email from user guide or whatever text they find in car is valid support channel? It is either completely idiotic or there's something wrong with Toyota information guide that leads to this mi…

People's ability to not read the text in front of their eyes is amazing. I imagine people click around and pattern-match the e-mail address, without reading any of the text/license around it. I can imagine that for some not too tech-savvy users, most email addresses they encounter in the wild are support addresses of some sort.

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by cortesoft »

problems wrote: post #112
ghaff wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was writing some shareware and other PC software, there were basically two ways to reach me: write me a snail mail letter or call me. So it was pretty normal to publish your personal phone number (and address). I wouldn't do it today, but those were pretty much the only ways to contact people.

Even if you want to publish a phone number, you can get a voip number for under $1/mo from many providers these days and redirect it as needed, block numbers, send to voicemail, etc. Complete control over it and complete separation. It may have made sense at one point but today it seems crazy.

People are downvoting you because the guy you are replying to was talking about back in the days of shareware. There was no VOIP back then.

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by toyg »

Chris2048 wrote: post #65
laumars wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a lot of effort and one which you wouldn't expect businesses to do this so I don't really see why open source projects should be any different.

If there's a limited amount of car companies, why not just compile one email with a big list of contact numbers, and use that reply template whenever you get such an email. I suppose you could even send it out automatically based on filter conditions?

And then those numbers change, and how are you gonna know? Do you periodically call them all? Do you wait for people to get mad at you because the number has changed, before you spend more time figuring out what the number is supposed to be today? And what if you don't even know all manufacturers from Asia or Brazil? And what if people complain that they want the number for their own language or country? That list gets very long very quickly.

But above all, why should he care? He's a developer, doesn't get a dime from such carmakers, why should it be his problem?

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

willhslade wrote: post #116
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knuth is such a class act. I don't think I've ever heard a negative story about him. Contrast him to, say, the harsh laguage Linus Torvalds routinely engages in or the many stories pointing out Steve Jobs' unfriendly side. I'm not 100% sure if you have to be a jerk to get ahead in life and lean towards 'yes' on this but when I see guys like Knuth, I wonder if nice guys do win sometimes. >TXT2COM As an 80s BBS kid, I…

Knuth is a one man shop. Torvalds is leading the biggest open source project in the world, and Jobs was leading one of America's largest corporations by market cap. Leading is different than writing.

Oh, there's definitely a hermit vs ceo aspect here, but I really doubt it justifies being an anger prone leader with no filter. There are many leaders who aren't like this yet somehow they do okay and on the flipside many academics who are one-man shops who are massive jerks. I suspect tech draws in certain personality types (DIY types, aspies, loners, etc) who really never developed the social skills needed, didn't really do much teamwork when younger as tech is often a hermit's game, and fell into a position of authority and went with the default of bullying, which clearly gets results, but doesn't make for the best work environment.

I find myself dealing with the same struggles at work. I can't believe how slow/stupid/careless so many of my co-workers are, but snapping at them is ultimately counter-productive and more than likely bad for my career. Frankly, I don't considering myself a good team player and I lean towards the hermit approach often. If I was the boss, who knows, I'd probably be a terror.

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by lazerwalker »

patrickdavey wrote: post #28
forgettableuser wrote: post #23

As somebody who has written to companies about bugs in their products (and almost always ignored), I would really appreciate a response even if it was some form letter thing to the effect of "I just make a small component that happens to be used in your car, kind of like the people who make the screws in your car. Please contact your car manufacturer directly." I personally just like knowing somebody read my letter i…

But there are, presumably, tens if not hundreds of millions of cars with curl in them now. While I'm sure you would appreciate a response, imagine the time it would take to reply to these questions? I mean it's not like it's a bug in curl... As for "if the customer gets angry at the response, it's fine...", well, what if you're taking the time to reply and then getting angry responses? What a waste of emotional energ…

I'm in a roughly similar (if lower in scale) situation. I maintain a popular iOS app that frequently gets emails from people confusing my email address with the official support email from the service my app is a third-party tool for. I get emails on the order of maybe 3-4 a week.

I have a TextExpander snippet auto-reply. Takes me maybe 10 seconds to reply to a given email. It's hard to give advice without knowing the rough volume of the emails the author deals with; I can imagine situations where this would be a perfectly viable strategy, or times when even that would be an unreasonable amount of work.

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by eric_the_read »

cmdrfred wrote: post #121
problems wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you want to publish a phone number, you can get a voip number for under $1/mo from many providers these days and redirect it as needed, block numbers, send to voicemail, etc. Complete control over it and complete separation. It may have made sense at one point but today it seems crazy.

How'd that work over a 32k modem?

32k? Loooxury! We had to bang magnetic rocks together fast enough in order to induce a current on the phone line and we only got 1200 baud and WE LIKED IT.

Seriously, 32k in the days of shareware? I think the fastest modem I ever saw (in that era, anyway) was 19.2k, and almost nobody had those. Pretty sure I went from 19.2 straight to ADSL.

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by ghaff »

problems wrote: post #112
ghaff wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was writing some shareware and other PC software, there were basically two ways to reach me: write me a snail mail letter or call me. So it was pretty normal to publish your personal phone number (and address). I wouldn't do it today, but those were pretty much the only ways to contact people.

Even if you want to publish a phone number, you can get a voip number for under $1/mo from many providers these days and redirect it as needed, block numbers, send to voicemail, etc. Complete control over it and complete separation. It may have made sense at one point but today it seems crazy.

I assume you're raking in downvotes because the context was pretty clearly why someone would have at some point in the past published a personal phone number long before the services you describe were available. Clearly, most people wouldn't do so today.

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by ashmud »

ergot wrote: post #92

I usually break E-mail addresses into the following categories: Monolithic. That one email address you put on business cards, hand out at conferences, post in public forums. Basically a catch-all that quickly becomes a firehose for spam and bacn[1] but every now and then you get an actual reachout as described in this post. They are infact gems when you get them, and always remind me how precious E-mail, as a loose s…

This categorized approach is what my email usage has evolved into over the years. I ended up "demoting" email addresses over time and letting them be used for spam-attractive uses or disuse altogether.

I have another category for family/close personal friends. For money matters, I go a step further and split out general commerce (online shopping) from financial institutions (banking/investment).

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by brainfire »

coldcode wrote: post #53

Ask Google for help. Yes, I know that's an oxymoron, Google doesn't do customer service for a reason. Most companies find it easier to ignore problems with their customers than to do anything.

I've spoken to customer support at Google several times for their music service and ChromeOS.

Re: “I have toyota corola”

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Post by [deleted] »

kelnos wrote: post #129
problems wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you want to publish a phone number, you can get a voip number for under $1/mo from many providers these days and redirect it as needed, block numbers, send to voicemail, etc. Complete control over it and complete separation. It may have made sense at one point but today it seems crazy.

You're being downvoted because the parent clearly isn't talking about present day, but is talking about writing shareware probably in the 80s or 90s. Not much useful/cheap VoIP going on back then.

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