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Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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You'll probably change your mind. If/when synthmeat becomes both economical and palatable, it will rapidly become socially unacceptable to eat real meat.

You don't need to go all the way to "socially unacceptable". All that needs to happen is for the synthetic meat to test better than regular meat.

test, or taste? Have there been cases of things where the artificial equivalent is better than the original?

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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I predict synthetic meat will be hugely successful simply because it avoids all the gross parts of dead animals. No blood, no connective tissue, no risk of abscesses or parasites, no worries about cross-contamination, the exact same size every time. If I can buy a sterile and perfectly uniform slab of synthetic muscle and marbled fat, to me that's a better product than natural meat. I don't even care if it tastes sli…

I'm not so sure. The problem is that any kind of processed real meat, like almost all other processed food, tends to be absolutely horrible from a culinary point of view and is often bad from a health-related point of view, too. It seems unlikely to me that lab-grown meat would fare better in that respect than, say, processed compressed chicken remains that are sold as an ingredient in a vast variety of processed foo…

The problem is that any kind of processed real meat...

The aim of this is that it doesn't produce something that needs processing though. The aim is to produce something that is identical to just plain, real meat. There's no cooking or preparation involved - the only difference is that instead of being grown in a cow it's grown in a vat.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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I am really really excited about lab grown meat making it into the mass market and ultimately becoming cheaper than traditional meat. The environmental benefits will be insane; how much of the earth is currently devoted to either raising animals or growing feed to feed animals? If we can centralise the production of meat, suddenly we have huge swathes of land that, perhaps naively, I hope can be reforested.

Am I the only one here who probably wouldn't buy artificial meat? I'm not a massive meat eater, but when I go shopping, I tend to buy better quality stuff without caring too much for the price. I'd give it a try, but would probably still buy "the real deal". > Suddenly we have huge swathes of land that, perhaps naively, I hope can be reforested. Those plots would still be owned by farmers, and planting trees on them…

Am I the only one here who probably wouldn't buy artificial meat? I'm not a massive meat eater, but when I go shopping, I tend to buy better quality stuff without caring too much for the price. I'd give it a try, but would probably still buy "the real deal".

Why are you assuming that the meat grown in a vat in perfect conditions with a chosen ratio of muscle to fat, perfect marbling, in the ideal size, with absolutely no additives would be worse than something grown naturally?

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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But people who refuse to eat lab meat will eventually die off. I mean, there are still people buying newly harvested fur, but they seem to be few and far between. Real meat will probably carry a social stigma as soon as fake meat becomes just as good or nearly as good.

I doubt that. Thousands of years of cooking tradition will not disappear any time soon. If it's cheap enough, lab grown meat will mostly occur in heavily processed food because the consumers of that food don't give a shit about what they eat anyway.

I do a lot of home cooking. For something like a nice steak or a whole roast chicken, I would probably stay with the real thing,

But for spaghetti bolognese, a good stew, anything where the meat is minced or cut into bite sized pieces, I would go for lab-grown like a shot, assuming the quality, taste and texture were there.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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I am really really excited about lab grown meat making it into the mass market and ultimately becoming cheaper than traditional meat. The environmental benefits will be insane; how much of the earth is currently devoted to either raising animals or growing feed to feed animals? If we can centralise the production of meat, suddenly we have huge swathes of land that, perhaps naively, I hope can be reforested.

Am I the only one here who probably wouldn't buy artificial meat? I'm not a massive meat eater, but when I go shopping, I tend to buy better quality stuff without caring too much for the price. I'd give it a try, but would probably still buy "the real deal". > Suddenly we have huge swathes of land that, perhaps naively, I hope can be reforested. Those plots would still be owned by farmers, and planting trees on them…

In the case of the Brazilian rainforest, it's not necessarily owned but just illegally occupied by the farmers.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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Am I the only one here who probably wouldn't buy artificial meat? I'm not a massive meat eater, but when I go shopping, I tend to buy better quality stuff without caring too much for the price. I'd give it a try, but would probably still buy "the real deal". > Suddenly we have huge swathes of land that, perhaps naively, I hope can be reforested. Those plots would still be owned by farmers, and planting trees on them…

Am I the only one here who probably wouldn't buy artificial meat? I'm not a massive meat eater, but when I go shopping, I tend to buy better quality stuff without caring too much for the price. I'd give it a try, but would probably still buy "the real deal". Why are you assuming that the meat grown in a vat in perfect conditions with a chosen ratio of muscle to fat, perfect marbling, in the ideal size, with absolutel…

Personally I'm assuming I won't see that in my lifetime. I suspect lab-grown meat will be good enough for fast food/processed food use within 2 decades, perhaps eventually something as good as a cheap, frozen supermarket steak/chicken breast, but I doubt we'll see something that can hold it's own against high end meat within 5 decades.

Honestly I suspect the fake meat people will produce something I'd want to eat instead of a really nice steak before the vat meat people.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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You don't need to go all the way to "socially unacceptable". All that needs to happen is for the synthetic meat to test better than regular meat.

test, or taste? Have there been cases of things where the artificial equivalent is better than the original?

'better' is questionable and largely undefinable, but certainly lots of cases where the artificial equivalent is more popular. Although in most of those cases price is a big factor.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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A US company called Modern Meadow is trying to do the same thing, but is starting with a more commercially viable first product: leather. This seems like a better way to develop the technology stack you need to crush the cost so that you can make it available for food.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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I'm with you. I too don't eat it often but would rather buy organic, grass fed, local. I also wouldn't buy synthetic meat for spiritual reasons: I actually want to consume a real dead animal that had a soul. It is much more nourishing for me to eat animals than be vegetarian, and I don't just mean physically nourishing.

> I actually want to consume a real dead animal that had a soul. I can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not. If not, do you also apply this principle to other things? e.g. do you prefer your clothes to be made from baby seal furs? Perhaps toilet paper made from the wood pulp of ancient sequoias?

I think it was very well written sarcasm.

Re: Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years (2015)

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You should tour a factory farming operation. Lab grown meat could be as safe as vaccine production; both done in controlled, sterile environments. EDIT: Seriously though, don't do the tour if you ever want to eat meat again. Doubly so for walking a slaughterhouse floor. There are some things you cannot unsee.

Every farm animal has vaccine production built-in, so it does not matter.

This is not true. They can produce their own antibodies, but will still become infected.
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