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Even at peak demand many spots are empty. The reason for so much parking is that it is legally required. Nothing more, nothing less. Many of the businesses will never make full use of their parking. Places without parking requirement laws develop very differently, and if parking is provided at all, it's usually in far smaller quantities and it's not free. Compare, say, third tier Japanese cities that lack subway syst…
That might apply in cities, but I don't believe parking spaces at suburban malls are typically regulated.
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Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car
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Many of the benefits you listed are good examples of how people are actually pretty bad at predicting what will make them happier. We have a lot of data on the subject. - People think that living in a larger home will make them happier than a shorter commute. Cohort studies show the opposite is true. We adapt most quickly to things (good/bad) that stay the same (like the size of your house), and poorly to things that…
The one thing that definitely won't make people happy is someone else telling them they don't know how to make themselves happy. People want choice, even if that means making a few incorrect choices. >We know people in cities are, on average, happier and healthier. Some people really dislike cities. I need woods. I need open spaces. I need to see the stars at night. I need a place for my dog to run without some stran…
Parking spots at place should like Costco are notoriously bad for the planet and aren't some of the least efficient things possible. At some point, the things you value (such as your parks and woods and scenery) are going to brush up against this suburban sprawl and you're going to be upset.
If you value green spaces, you should be encouraging the disuse of cars and mass parking lots.
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Also, traffic lights, fire stations, rural mail deliver.... everything makes society expensive to some degree.
Sure, but what compelling public interest is there in forcing subsidized parking? Other countries get by just fine with far less parking.
As for public interest. The idea is that without regulation, new apartments and condos would choose not build parking pushing their residents to park on the street. This causes congestion (cars circling trying to find parking) and makes going to these areas less pleasant. And I'm sure some would say these regulations remove preexisting subsidies, since they prevent new developments from using city streets as their parking lot.
How do these other countries deal with the lack of parking? I think simply suggesting better public transportation and redesigned cities does not solve problems that people are having right now.
Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car
#245You also pay for the cost of public parks even if you never use them.
You pay for the cost of government elementary schools even if you homeschool your kids.
etc.
Now, I'm an anarchocapitalist and would love to see all of these costs unbundled, so that we each pay only for what we use.
...but the other 99.9% of folks in our society think that it is reasonable to have one-size-fits-all solutions, where a single basket of goods is created and handed to everyone, regardless of whether they want it or not.
To say "yes, I still want that policy, but I want EXACTLY the bundle of goods that I want forced on everyone, not some other basket of goods" seems like special pleading.
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My city don't have trams but there was a political push to build them. However, bus routes were upgraded instead. Result is better than trams IMO. Some key points we do: - Popular buses run ever 5-ish minutes during peak times - Some buses have extension and cary a crapload of people. - Problematic spots have bus-only lanes. What is better than tram: - Buses that share only a bit of the route can use those lanes too…
Why should a taxi get to use a bus lane? That's essentially a single person car with a chauffeur. How is a taxi-driven car more worthy than someone else's car?
I guess you'd be shocked to learn that here, not only can taxis use bus lanes, but so can electric vehicles to help encourage better choices.
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I propose a fundamental principle that should be obvious, but apparently isn't. Public policy should aim to improve average quality of life in the short, medium, and long terms. We live in low-population-density areas because we get more, higher quality housing for less money, shorter lines, less crowded public places. We drive instead of taking transit because we get where we're going faster and more comfortably, si…
> You can already make these tradeoffs for yourself by moving to SF or Manhattan, which is generally ill-advised unless you make so much that the astronomical housing costs don't hurt too badly. The shoe is on the other foot. The reason why rent is so high in these places is because there's a lot of demand to live there - people do find it desirable. If more cities were built like SF or Manhattan (i.e. there was more…
No. Mere demand alone does not raise costs. There is a lot of demand for water, but it is still super cheap.
Prices are high when demand is high and supply is low.
The reason that prices in Manhattan and SF are high is because (a) lots of people want to live there, and simultaneously (b) government policies severely limit the ability of developers to generate more housing units there.
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Housing prices are often a related to geography. Manhatten is an island, SF and Boston are peninsulas. You could have a high density city that didn't have a high cost of living.
Could you, though? Manhattan, San Francisco, and Boston aren't where they are because of random chance.
Good harbors used to create economic powerhouses and centers of immigration, which in turn created large dense cities. The sort of large dense cities that people naturally chose to build when unregulated but that modern policies prohibit (or at least pose obstacles to) in places that are not yet that dense.
Similarly, NY and Boston are situated on and partly limited by major rivers, which provided access to the interior in a time when travel by boat was much faster than over land. You'll find the same is the case for almost every major non-coastal city in the US and worldwide. That was less of an issue for SF, which grew in the railroad era.
There are of course many obstacles to attracting people to a NEW city. But specific types of geography that happen to typically be limited by water are no longer crucial to making a city dense. Access to ocean shipping is helpful, but it's now viable to import and export over land to and from a harbor town.
Edited to add: Boston isn't really a peninsula. The reason these cities are dense is largely about developing prior to the car. LA could be nearly as dense as Boston if it weren't so car-dependent. If it had become a major population center prior to the advent of the car it would have had to be by necessity.
People built dense because of limits on how far one could realistically travel on foot or by equine-powered means. That limited the size of a city far more effectively in Boston than geography did (this is also reflected to a degree in LA's older downtown).
New York was able to grow beyond downtown and midtown Manhattan largely because of rapid transit (elevated rail later displaced in favor of subways) but even that has limits that kept the city dense. (One of those limits of course being that it was less likely to get built in areas that weren't yet at least somewhat dense.)
Think how long it would take to ride from an outer LA suburb to its downtown in a mule cart. That density-enforcing function doesn't apply to the same degree when you have an automobile.
BUT there are limits on how long people are willing to travel to get places, be it by foot or by car. Even in LA, we're reaching the limits of car-enabled sprawl.
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I'd be very surprised if shared self driving cars lead to a major reduction in excess parking, or lower the number of traffic jams. People want to do the same things at more or less the same time: Having time off while your social circle is at work is not as fun. Many jobs require customers, and others require entire groups of people to be there together. This means the minimum capacity needed to handle peaks is not…
You're underestimating all of the ways self-driving cars will increase efficiency relative to parking, which are multiplicative. 1. Much higher occupancy per car. Based on my personal observations, at rush hour the average occupancy of a car is something like 1.3. I don't see any reason that can't increase to 2.6 or more without significantly slowing anyone down -- 2x 2. Yes, a lot of people need to get to work at 8,…
I ask as someone who doesn't own and doesn't want to own a car. Where I live, public transport is good, and even taking a Taxi everyday is cheaper than car ownership if you only use it for your commute (not by much, but it's competitive). Still people love to own and use their cars. I would love to see people share them, but I fail to see how self-driving would be an incentive for that.
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> Handling cash ain't free. But it's so much cheaper than handling credit cards that many small stores in Germany won't accept any cards at all.
Don't German stores accept debit cards? The cost is much lower on a debit card transaction.
Mostly because their fees are even 10 times lower than MasterCard's debit card fees.