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Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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I can't recognise this new Microsoft. It's basically as if this was a new company wrt. Open Source and competing.

They now want to be Oracle in place of ORCL.

Except if rather deal with MS's software... Everytime I touch anything from Oracle, I plan on a week of frustration...

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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That article is a typical example of "If it suits me, it must suit everybody." 99.9%+ of criticism of the new MBP has been of the form "Without ever interacting with one, I can tell it is unsuitable for me and therefore is unsuitable for anyone, anywhere, in any professional purpose, ever". no-true-Scotsman-fallacy of "Noone who _really_ used it dislikes it." More like "people are pre-emptively concluding, without ev…

I don't care about the touch bar and while I'm miffed about the magsafe I can deal with shelling out extra for accidental damage insurance. Personally my disappointment is with the specs which no time with the machine will change. The mac I'm currently using was purchased 3 years with 16GB of RAM and if I replace it I will be stuck with the same capacity. I imagine there are a lot of "Pro" market segments that are we…

The ram you were using 3 years ago is a lot slower than the ram they have put into the new MacBook pros. So there is that benefit at least.

32 GB is a lot of ram. What do you do where you need that much ram in a laptop? Is that the limiting factor in performance for you versus another component? Have you considered a desktop/tablet combo or anything like that?

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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I think Microsoft will end-of-life Xamarin Studio and will convert it to Visual Studio brand with just support of OSX and Linux

I wouldn't bet my money on a Linux release

You'd probably be better off going with JetBrains' Project Rider on Linux, if you were just doing general .NET work than waiting.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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A smaller and componentized install was a major focus for Visual Studio 2017. There's some more detail here: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/08/22/vis... Smallest install is 500MB .NET/C# install is ~3GB I also believe you won't have to reboot with most installs.

Nice, I totally wasn't aware of that. It's good to see VS finally headed down the right path in that regard.

At a presentation at NDC or something Scott Hanselman did a bit where he pretended that he'd forgotten to install VS. Then he proceeded to install it live in the presentation, in less than a minute I think.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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So will it be possible to develop cross platform GUI App using visual studio / ms native frameworks?

You can reuse a lot via vs/xs if you like C#. There's support for UWP, iOS and Android, as well as libraries for GTk and Mac.

I'd be more inclined to use react and Redux with electron. With Cordova to bridge to mobile.

Really do like VS Code.

Just my two cents.

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Who are you (or anyone else) to decide what works best for me? Am I not capable of making my own decisions? Do I really need a hardware company making those choices for me? Did you not read beyond my first sentence? Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Were the clerks at the bank not capable of deciding for themselves if their pen and paper workflows worked better for them than the compu…

> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Where did I say that? You seem confused. And your argument regarding publishing and banking software is a strawman intended to shift the focus away from the real argument - that of choice. Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income. Why should anyone be ok with that?

> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users?

Where did I say that? You seem confused.

I am saying that we as programmers force people to change their habits all the time. We do it to in the name of efficiency and progress. We eliminate workflows, we make entire jobs redundant. We of all people should be able to recognise that even though change is uncomfortable, it is inevitable, and mostly for the better.

And your argument regarding publishing and banking software is a strawman intended to shift the focus away from the real argument - that of choice

Please. Even if we pretend that you don't still have the option to use a third party keyboard, or buy one of the Macs that still have the f-keys, what about the people who would prefer the new touch bar to the f-keys? What about their choice?

Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. You are not going to feel a very real effect on your ability to generate an income simply by being forced to learn a different set of shortcut keys to step through a debugger.

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> an arbitrary habit that you've grown comfortable with You mean a workflow? Who are you (or anyone else) to decide what works best for me? Am I not capable of making my own decisions? Do I really need a hardware company making those choices for me?

Who are you (or anyone else) to decide what works best for me? Am I not capable of making my own decisions? Do I really need a hardware company making those choices for me? Did you not read beyond my first sentence? Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Were the clerks at the bank not capable of deciding for themselves if their pen and paper workflows worked better for them than the compu…

> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users?

The problem is, say you're an iOS developer, you get no choice; you HAVE to run a Mac and be at Apple's mercy.

Other programs usually have decent alternatives or you can customise them to suit you,

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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I would presume that if the application hasn't been updated for the Touchbar, the Touchbar would default to displaying ESC F1 F2 F3 F4 etc..

Still though, at the moment I can step through code without really thinking about it, partly because I know where the keys are based on how the keyboard feels, combined with the tactile feedback of pressing the buttons. I would worry that with no physical presence on the keyboard, I would spend a lot more time looking at the keyboard figuring out where the function key I need is than actually getting things done. I w…

> I would worry that with no physical presence on the keyboard, I would spend a lot more time looking at the keyboard figuring out where the function key I need is than actually getting things done.

Exactly. In Eclipse, F5 steps into a function call, F6 steps over it, F7 returns from the current function, and F8 resumes execution, and mistakenly pressing the adjacent key can be frustrating (although, with time-travel debuggers, this issue might be alleviated?).

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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I was really excited until I realized that. A C# IDE on macOS is cool, but damn I would kill for a better C++ experience on Apple. Xcode is ok, but it's code completion is buggy and there is no refactoring support... I've heard CLion is cool but I'm kind of poor and don't have the spare cash for it.

CLion is like $8/month. That is the price of a couple of coffees. I think it is worth that IMHO.

Pricing for developer tools tend to look more reasonable when you amortize it over the year and put it in Starbucks terms. Same thing for hardware upgrades. There's no real excuse for not investing in good tools.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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> If you are a pro mainly using the Mac for professional work... This is extremely dishonest assessment that only 'Developers' do professional work. Mac is used by Engineers, CAD/CAM, designers, illustrators, artists, musicians, etc and to reduce it only to developers is disingenuous. I for one is happy with the new Mac and there are several people who've found it great for 'pro' use.

Weirdly from your list software developers are the only ones the New MBP can serve. It's got plenty of power to run XCode or a web dev environment. Engineers, CAD, musicians, 3D artists all need more power than it provides and increasingly need CUDA cores.

Why do you assume that software developers don't need more power and/or CUDA cores, too? Development does not only consist of web development.
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