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Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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I never shop anywhere I can't park at

I only step foot in the mall when I must. I much prefer to walk to the corner grocery store or take the train to a downtown shopping district. I suppose we cancel each other out.

You probably live in a walkable city with good public transit, the parent poster probably lives in the other 95% of the USA.

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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80-300K for 1 parking spot or a whole lot?

For reference, a single car space in Sydney sold for over $100k[0]... [0] - http://www.domain.com.au/news/kirribilli-car-spot-sells-for-...

Its no good unless it's negatively geared.

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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This is pretty obvious right?

A few years ago in the US there was talk about requiring the 1st checked airline bag to be free. This is the same thing. The bill was put forward by a respected politician.

These are the types of issues that make me think educating the public on this stuff is incredibly important.

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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I think we wouldn't see things as being nearly this bad if all American cities didn't rip out their tram networks. Every city I've lived in, even small ones with ~100k people, use to have Streetcars. Today, cities like Cincinnati struggle to get a tiny segment put in. Trams carry a ton more people than buses. People are more likely to ride them too. If American cities hadn't given in to GM and Ford and kept streetcar…

I don't really get why trams are better than buses. Do they really carry a ton more people than buses? Why are people more likely to ride them? Buses come in short/long/articulated/double-decker sizes and don't need to be on rails or require overhead electrical lines. The only argument I can think of is that you get a smoother ride and no need to burn fuel with a tram. (I've only ridden the trams in one city, and the…

One benefit is trams aren't subject to traffic, but theoretically you could have a dedicated bus lane to achieve that same result.

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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There was a study a while back that showed that the USA has eight times as many parking spaces as it has cars. At first that seems crazy, but it makes sense if you think about the fact that all the places you go in a day need to have enough parking to meet their peak demand all year, so places like malls have huge empty lots most of the year until Christmas rolls around. And then there is the spot your car is in at w…

> Another nice benefit of self driving cars that are shared is the major reduction in the need to all this excess parking.

I would think that applied to any shared cars, including taxis and ride-hailing services. Why would the self-driving feature reduce parking demand beyond that?

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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I think we wouldn't see things as being nearly this bad if all American cities didn't rip out their tram networks. Every city I've lived in, even small ones with ~100k people, use to have Streetcars. Today, cities like Cincinnati struggle to get a tiny segment put in. Trams carry a ton more people than buses. People are more likely to ride them too. If American cities hadn't given in to GM and Ford and kept streetcar…

I don't really get why trams are better than buses. Do they really carry a ton more people than buses? Why are people more likely to ride them? Buses come in short/long/articulated/double-decker sizes and don't need to be on rails or require overhead electrical lines. The only argument I can think of is that you get a smoother ride and no need to burn fuel with a tram. (I've only ridden the trams in one city, and the…

Here's an example of a good tram system:

http://dyob.com.au/sites/default/files/u9/96%20North%20Carlt...

It's separated from the traffic so it's fast, doesn't have associated tyre and asphalt maintenance costs, and each tram carries over 200 people maximum. The service is frequent - about every five to seven minutes - and much smoother and more comfortable than a bus.

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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Then poverty activists will vilify you for making it too expensive for poor people to shop at your store. There are so many factions that will attack you for doing something, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Is your point that both of these options have an equal or negligible effect on the poor, that one option is better but those damn "poverty activists" can't see which one that is, or that attempts to accommodate the poor shouldn't inconvenience businesses?

My point is that you can force any argument you want to fit your own narrative. So out of thin air you can pull whatever you want and spin it so that it's some form of oppression of the rich on the poor.

To blame parking spaces for raising prices is really pathetic and delusional.

The problem is that different factions of poverty activists will pick differing things to be offended by, so one group may think that having free parking space is the rich oppressing the poor, but if the store changes it to paid parking, other activists will say that is oppressing the poor. However it's reported the same way so it makes it sound like all poverty activists are in unison but they're not. But the media doesn't care as long as the rich are being vilified.

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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I'm getting really sick of these media companies pushing their anti-rich agenda. Blaming rich people for parking that causes costs to rise for poor people is just insulting. I didn't believe in much liberal bias in the media until this election. This is simply another extent of it, it's really eye opening.

Do you have any reasoning to accompany your emotion? The news media of course has a an anti-status-quo bias. The status quo isn't news .

They most definitely do not have an anti-status quo bias. They have an anti-right bias.

Re: Poor people pay for parking even when they can’t afford a car

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post #16

There was a study a while back that showed that the USA has eight times as many parking spaces as it has cars. At first that seems crazy, but it makes sense if you think about the fact that all the places you go in a day need to have enough parking to meet their peak demand all year, so places like malls have huge empty lots most of the year until Christmas rolls around. And then there is the spot your car is in at w…

> Another nice benefit of self driving cars that are shared is the major reduction in the need to all this excess parking. I would think that applied to any shared cars, including taxis and ride-hailing services. Why would the self-driving feature reduce parking demand beyond that?

It does, however self driving taxis can be operated far cheaper than human driver taxis.

So if the cost of running your car is say $5000 a year and you can get an subscription robocar service for $100 a week then a large number of people will switch.

At the moment it's only cheaper to go car free if it's possible for you to walk/ride/catch public transport to work Mon-Fri and catch the occasional taxi when needed.

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