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‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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Re: ‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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I've never been able to find a room last minute by stopping in a hotel and asking to stay the night. They always say they're full.

I used to work at a hotel. 100% of late-night bookings meant trouble in one way or another.

Was the place you worked at within sight of the interstate / highway?

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post #4

I've never been able to find a room last minute by stopping in a hotel and asking to stay the night. They always say they're full.

Yeah, I always try to book by 6-7PM. Booking at 11PM generally winds up with a lot of failure.

The problem when I'm booking hotels is that:

1) I'm driving a long distance west of the Mississippi, and the stop points are very discrete and far between--so everybody wants to stop at the same point. For example, Austin to San Diego--El Paso is a bit short for the first day, so you go to Las Cruces which is a lot smaller and more likely to have fully booked up.

2) I'm doing a tourist thing which puts me in with a lot of other people.

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post #2

The average US hotel is 70% full for tonight, the only night that matters. Not sure why people put these signs up other than maybe bringing people in with more neon.

So are you trying to say that tonight 7 out of 10 hotels are completely full and 3 out of 10 are completely empty, or any of an infinite range of other things?

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My parents used to do this all if the time. Sometime in the late 90s, many hotels started using drop in guests as people to be hustled. These days, you're better off finding a way to get "status" from a chain so you can cancel without penalty and book a bunch of rooms. Our last road trip, I booked 4 rooms over 300 miles and cancelled in the afternoon before stopping in.

> many hotels started using drop in guests as people to be hustled

It all depends on the approach. Instead of saying "do you have any rooms available?" you could just say "I only have $AMOUNT and quite frankly I'd rather stay here than at my old Uncle's place down the road" (or a variation of which indicates 'price does not matter'. [1]

Disclosure: I am somewhat of a paid professional negotiator so techniques like this may not work if not done properly or in every context.

[1] In another business you'd be surprised at how many people simply say 'can you do any better' (which means 'you have the sale') rather even 'wow that's to high... a competitor will do it for $AMOUNT can you match that?' Edit: Emphasis on a convincing use of 'wow!'.

Re: ‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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Last summer I bought a motorcycle in Duluth, MN and rode it down to Austin, TX (ok, well, to Oklahoma City from where it hitched a ride in a U-Haul, hey it's a road trip and it was a used bike off Craigslist). I was mostly unplugged apart from the maps app (which is not how I plan on doing it next time, next time I plan on having physical maps, maps that can't die on you, move to an irrelevant portion of the trip, or otherwise randomly turn from a navigation device to a screen saver).

"No Vacancy" signs were absolutely welcomed sights. They also just made it all the more visceral. Could I have pulled over, opened an app, and reserved a room online in less time and perhaps at a lower price, absolutely. Then, I could have followed the "map's" directions directly to this place and called it a day. Instead, I had to keep my eyes peeled, take in the city, maybe figure out where the main drag was.

We need to stop pushing efficiency and start making space for discovery. My trip down the middle of our country, that deep red cut of Trump support, I got to see it all. I was a Hillary voter, but, can honestly say I understand a bit of the reasons those states went the way they did. Riding an old motorcycle through the heart of our country, and then using an app to make my hotel reservation, or staying at some cookie cutter hotel instead of the local places I chose, that'd just have been a non-sequitur. I might as well not even have made the trip.

I would have missed the camp grounds, the fellow motorcyclists helping me with engine trouble, the welder that fixed my chassis, finding out that Nebraska is basically one big corn field, the super-hero of a motel clerk that let me sleep at the indoor pool when i showed up at 1am soaked and freezing and there were actually zero rooms left in the small town, the motorcycle club (shout-out to the Amber, OK Outsiders!) that put me up for a very drunk night after electrical issues, and the many other folks I met. But I didn't. It was awesome.

Re: ‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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I did the Chicago to San Francisco (and back) run fairly regularly in the 1990s, and we didn't depend on vacancy signs. Our solution was basically brand loyalty -- the Motel 6 people published a book with addresses and phone numbers of all their motels in the US. The scheme is, you get on the road, and some time around 7pm, you stop for dinner, and make a reservation (from the payphone) at the Motel 6 that's about 10…

Looks like an Adventure. How long did it take you each way? 3 days? 12h/day (and something like 500Mi per day?)

Re: ‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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post #7
post #4

I've never been able to find a room last minute by stopping in a hotel and asking to stay the night. They always say they're full.

I'd be curious to know the difference between your experience and mine. U. S. here, and its rare that a motel turns me away. Now, there are several distinguishing characteristics of my travel. First, mostly by motorcycle, and second is that because I'm on the bike I'm probably in some out-of-the-way place and not downtown SF. My mode of travel is important, I think, because sometimes I think they feel sorry for me (e…

Same. I do multi day trips up and down both coasts as well as cross country trips. I generally drive until I'm tired then let the gps find me a hotel along my route. I've never tried to book ahead and never had any problems with the drop in. If a place is full (rare) I drive another 20 minutes down my route and do that one. Easy peasy and I travel by car.

Re: ‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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post #24

My parents used to do this all if the time. Sometime in the late 90s, many hotels started using drop in guests as people to be hustled. These days, you're better off finding a way to get "status" from a chain so you can cancel without penalty and book a bunch of rooms. Our last road trip, I booked 4 rooms over 300 miles and cancelled in the afternoon before stopping in.

> many hotels started using drop in guests as people to be hustled It all depends on the approach. Instead of saying "do you have any rooms available?" you could just say "I only have $AMOUNT and quite frankly I'd rather stay here than at my old Uncle's place down the road" (or a variation of which indicates 'price does not matter'. [1] Disclosure: I am somewhat of a paid professional negotiator so techniques like th…

Is your recommended negotiation approach to lie?

Re: ‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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I did the Chicago to San Francisco (and back) run fairly regularly in the 1990s, and we didn't depend on vacancy signs. Our solution was basically brand loyalty -- the Motel 6 people published a book with addresses and phone numbers of all their motels in the US. The scheme is, you get on the road, and some time around 7pm, you stop for dinner, and make a reservation (from the payphone) at the Motel 6 that's about 10…

I travelled that route (and back) with my parents a couple of times around the same time, as tourists.

I think I was 13 the first time, and 15 the second time. Although we had a mobile phone, we didn't phone ahead, we simply turned up somewhere. Perhaps once we had to drive further than we wanted (until midnight or so), and a couple of times I think the cost was a little higher than we wanted, but considering this was a family of 5 it worked out nicely.

My parents found some interesting places, too. I've not met anyone else that's been to see the Mitchell Corn Palace. (I've only met a few Americans who've seen as much of their own country as I have, which is a pity.)

Re: ‘No Vacancy’ Signs Are Vanishing from America’s Highways

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post #2

The average US hotel is 70% full for tonight, the only night that matters. Not sure why people put these signs up other than maybe bringing people in with more neon.

So are you trying to say that tonight 7 out of 10 hotels are completely full and 3 out of 10 are completely empty, or any of an infinite range of other things?

It's not infinite. There are a discrete number of rooms available in the world, and the number of permutations is therefore finite.
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