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Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by tssva »

sacradix wrote: post #27
seastonATccs wrote: post #15

Title is wrong. He defined several actions that Trump demonstrated as grounds for immediate termination. He informed all his employees that if they do not follow company hr policies they should resign.

You could charitably interpret it that way. But he also did write these words: Further I absolutely reject the nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics of Donald Trump and will work to shield our community from this movement as best as I can. ... If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here. If you identify as a nationalist or fav…

He is just trying to make sure everyone is a good cultural fit for the company. That excuse usually flys on HN when discussing avoiding hiring folks of my age range, so why shouldn't it also when discriminating against people based upon their political beliefs.

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by nsxwolf »

revx wrote: post #12
revx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if anything, it'll make people in the more liberal cities - their main market - more attracted to the company. You may disagree, but my feelings after reading this are to support Grubhub, whereas before I was neutral on them. I value companies that are dedicated to inclusion and discourage hate speech.

Before anyone accuses me of "being a fascist" for supporting this kind of censorship, take a moment to read the article again. He's not telling people to resign if they are pro-Trump, he's asking people who are going to actively make others' lives worse through hate-speech and derogatory action to resign. Remember that your liberties end where other's liberties begin.

Does that really need to be said? I'm sure it's already in the employee handbook that you can't call people racial epithets or sexually harass people.

Try to put yourself in the mindset of a Trump voter working st GrubHub and receiving that email. That wouldn't make you a little bit nervous? Would you really say to yourself "oh, yeah, I see what he's saying here" or would you clam up and live in fear of being outed?

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by mindcrime »

bifrost wrote: post #7

Can anyone confirm if this is real? If it is, this is probably going to turn into a PR disaster for them.

Why should it be a PR disaster? The headline here is complete click-bait that mis-states what was actually said. And what was actually said is perfectly reasonable. I can't speak for anybody else, but personally I agree with the GrubHub CEO 100%.

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by tn13 »

revx wrote: post #13
tejohnso wrote: post #11

Paragraph 3: "I firmly believe that we must bring together different perspectives...including all genders, races.... ideological preferences ." Paragraph 4: "...I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life here in the United States." Paragraph 5: "If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no pl…

There's a difference between respecting someone's ideological preference, and discouraging hate speech. I like to think of it like this: your liberties to express ideology end where someone else's human rights begin. I would disagree with firing someone for saying that they liked Trump. I would agree with firing someone for making racist, sexist, or otherwise derogatory comments toward a co-worker. I think that's wha…

There is no such thing as hate-speech. Hate Speech is free speech too. Other than a credible threat every other expression is free speech. It is a fundamental right for all Americans to use homophobic, racist, sexist speech if they want to.

It is also Grubhub CEO's right to fire anyone who he dislikes but then it cuts both ways. All conservatives must now abandon Grubhub.

With 50% of population disliking Grubhub I bet CEO will lose his job in a day for being an as*hole.

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by downandout »

He opened the company up to serious liability for discrimination and creating a hostile work environment. Additionally, shareholders damaged by this monumentally stupid action can sue. Class action and employment attorneys are likely searching LinkedIn and other sites for employees emails to contact as I write this, looking for the ~500 or so employees of their 1,000 that are likely affected by this.

Hillary lost. Get over it, and (this should be obvious) don't tell your employees to resign if they disagree with you.

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by dpeterson »

They absolutely should not turn in their resignations. I work for a state writing unemployment insurance application software. If the CEO wants them out, he needs to lay them off/fire them. If the employees hand in their resignation, they are ineligible for benefits. That is what the CEO wants, but that is not what the workers should allow. They are owed unemployment insurance benefits in this case.

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by masondixon »

MaysonL wrote: post #22
fdsaaf wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a difference between respecting someone's ideological preference, and discouraging hate speech No there is not. "Hate speech" is what liberals call inconvenient conservative speech. Approving all speech except "hate speech" is just declaring that you will censor speech you find disagreeable. The only legitimate speech restrictions are viewpoint-neutral no matter what the viewpoint.

"You're a dirty monkey and should go back to Africa" is inconvenient conservative speech? You'll have a difficult time defending that statement.

What if a black person said this to another black person?

My point is that "hate speech" is not clear cut.

Today, the left is using it to silence any opposition.

If someone says "hate speech" is writing "Trump" on the ground with chalk, where does it end?

How do you draw the line?

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by revx »

masondixon wrote: post #48
MaysonL wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You're a dirty monkey and should go back to Africa" is inconvenient conservative speech? You'll have a difficult time defending that statement.

What if a black person said this to another black person? My point is that "hate speech" is not clear cut. Today, the left is using it to silence any opposition. If someone says "hate speech" is writing "Trump" on the ground with chalk, where does it end? How do you draw the line?

I think I was pretty clear about where I draw the line.

> your liberties to express ideology end where someone else's human rights begin.

I won't respect your opinion if it disrespects someone's existence.

Re: Grubhub CEO tells pro-Trump employees to resign

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Post by smsm42 »

revx wrote: post #13
tejohnso wrote: post #11

Paragraph 3: "I firmly believe that we must bring together different perspectives...including all genders, races.... ideological preferences ." Paragraph 4: "...I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life here in the United States." Paragraph 5: "If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no pl…

There's a difference between respecting someone's ideological preference, and discouraging hate speech. I like to think of it like this: your liberties to express ideology end where someone else's human rights begin. I would disagree with firing someone for saying that they liked Trump. I would agree with firing someone for making racist, sexist, or otherwise derogatory comments toward a co-worker. I think that's wha…

He was talking not only about "hate speech" (though even this category has long since have been extended by some to include anything disagreeing with the Party Line) but about nationalism and policies of Trump in general, which has been wholesale called "hateful".

Of course, one can read it as "I oppose the policies of Trump that I consider hateful but not ones that are not" but since no way of distinguishing between the two has been offered, I assume that was not the intent and surely not how most of the people read it. It reads as a wholesale denunciation of Trump and his supporters as hateful. Maybe it wasn't the intent, but in that case the nuance was lost somewhere on the way.

In a message that instructs anybody who disagrees to resign the lack of nuance is not the best idea - unless that is exactly what the author meant.

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