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Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by wwalser » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 12:33 AM UTC

If anyone has recommendations for adapting to the new USB-C based hardware, I'd be interested in hearing it. I haven't had time to do the research myself but will if nothing shows up in this thread (the new machine arrive late this month).

The only hardware that I regularly use on my current machine, a 7 year old MacBook Air, is a mouse, keyboard, headphones, monitor and external hard drive. All of which connect using what I'd call a "USB" cable, though it seem to me that there may be multiple types of those.

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by cryptarch » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 12:35 AM UTC

TheCoreh wrote: post #3

I feel like this transition would go way way smoother if Apple released a single Apple TV-sized USB-C to everything else hub, with USB-A, DVI, HDMI, thunderbolt ports, instead of 5 different adapters. Even better, they could have added all of these to the MacBook charger brick. In fact, why hasn't anyone released such a product yet?

So like a laptop dock, except its not underneath but besides/behind your laptop?

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by dogma1138 » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 12:37 AM UTC

The funny part is currently it seems that there are tons of issues with the native USB-c ports on the macs.

First problem is the speed difference is seems that the left side is considerably faster than the right, then you have issues with the keyboard, trackpad or wifi stop working when you plug in native USB-c accessories.

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by jeffehobbs » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 1:36 AM UTC

The things you own end up owning you.

But seriously, this is so whiny. Yes! Standards change. At least you can still use ‘em. I have a shelf of SCSI gizmos that are donezo.

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by sliken » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 2:28 AM UTC

Worst thing about USB-c is that it seems like they have taken a dozen unique cables and replaced then with a dozen usb-c cables, that all look the same, but aren't.

Stories of cables not meeting spec, fried devices, daisy chain widgets that don't, the new TB3 chip not being compatible with the older TB chip, etc.

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by reustle » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 3:26 AM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #8

TheCoreh wrote: post #3

I feel like this transition would go way way smoother if Apple released a single Apple TV-sized USB-C to everything else hub, with USB-A, DVI, HDMI, thunderbolt ports, instead of 5 different adapters. Even better, they could have added all of these to the MacBook charger brick. In fact, why hasn't anyone released such a product yet?

You mean like this? https://www.bourgedesign.com/

Wow, this looks great. Hopefully it actually materializes and works. Would be great to just throw this in my backpack, definitely solve s the bag-of-dongles issue.

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by tw04 » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 3:28 AM UTC

sliken wrote: post #15

Worst thing about USB-c is that it seems like they have taken a dozen unique cables and replaced then with a dozen usb-c cables, that all look the same, but aren't. Stories of cables not meeting spec, fried devices, daisy chain widgets that don't, the new TB3 chip not being compatible with the older TB chip, etc.

90% of the "unique cables" weren't unique. Is that HDMI cable 1.1 or 1.2 spec? What, you can't tell? Is that USB cable 3.0 compatible, or just 2.0? What about the port, is it 3.0 or 2.0?

The "this cable looks the same but doesn't work" has been an issue since the beginning of computers. As for "fried devices" - those are, in every case I've seen, an issue that had nothing to do with USB-C and everything to do with cheap Chinese knock-offs.

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by nunez » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 5:09 AM UTC

1999: Apple deprecated all my stuff. My LaserWriter and CD player don't work with my iMac; this USB port thing is never gonna work

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by leejo » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 5:54 AM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #6

Well, they make lots of USB-C to micro-b superspeed, so that's not really an issue: https://www.amazon.com/Axxbiz-CableBiz-C016B-USB-Type-Cable/... As for needs X number of adapters... or just buy a hub? Or are you actually carting around an external keyboard everywhere you go...? In which case why are you using a macbook in the first place? https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Adapter-Including-ChromeBook... I can get ha…

> Well, they make lots of USB-C to micro-b superspeed, so that's not really an issue:

Excellent! Do you know if there's anything available to simplify USB-C to Mini Toslink?

> I can get hating on Apple when they introduce new PROPRIETARY ports. But for the love of god, USB-C was the best decision they ever made. Is it going to take some time for devices in the rest of the ecosystem to make the switch? Sure... but the short-term pain is worth dragging the industry along.

This is pretty much my conclusion in the post. "Same as it ever was".

Re: Apple Deprecated All My Stuff

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Post by leejo » Sun, Nov 13, 2016, 5:57 AM UTC

zeitg3ist wrote: post #10

Slightly OT, but what version of the HHKB is that? I've never seen one with that layout (the JIS version has arrow keys but it's quite different...) Edit: also, be aware that the Apple USB-C to TB2 adapter doesn't support DisplayPort! So you'll need a different cable for your monitor - or, better, a dock where to plug everything in.

> Slightly OT, but what version of the HHKB is that? I've never seen one with that layout (the JIS version has arrow keys but it's quite different...)

HHKB Lite 2 (Model No: KUH0010).

> Edit: also, be aware that the Apple USB-C to TB2 adapter doesn't support DisplayPort!

Thanks for the heads up on that.