Please poke holes in this idea: 1. Save up some dollars 2. Move to a city in India that has good infrastructure (Coimbatore is the city I have in mind) =$1200 3. Release and iterate till you get good traction =$200/month/person 4. Move to Silicon Valley do the mating dance etc =$1200 Personal burn rate while at India would be as low as $200 per month without compromising on any comfort. After success, I plan to buy a…
I tried that last year for a little while in a very inexpensive part of Europe. Holes: 1. Connections, funding, publicity. Kiss those opportunities goodbye. 2. Travel expenses will cost you, add another $2000(?) just for that. 3. I didn't speak the language at all... Makes it extremely hard to get a good deal on housing. Affects quality of life. 4. Places with very low costs of living and relatively high quality of l…
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm. Are you saying that electricity in India is sufficiently deregulated that there is competition for backup electricity suppliers?
No, I meant that it is inexpensive to set up your own backup. By 'far away', I didn't mean miles away... I meant far enough that you can't hear the noise.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Electric is significantly more if you keep multiple computers on 24/7.
I live in a one bedroom apartment in SF, and have 2 mac mini's, a laptop, and two servers - all are on 24/7. Electricity is $20 per month.
if your 5 computers take 150 watts each and it's 12 cents per kilo-watt hour, then your bill would be $65
they must spend a lot of time asleep or something.
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#54This is something that my wife and I thought a lot about before we moved out here, and we still work hard to keep costs very lean and mean. So, I'll write a book for ya. I've lived in Minneapolis, Chicago, LA, Providence, Fresno and now the Bay Area. And, it's the most expensive city we've lived in. There is usually a gentleman's competition ongoing as to what area is more expensive to live in: Bay Area or New York C…
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#55Please poke holes in this idea: 1. Save up some dollars 2. Move to a city in India that has good infrastructure (Coimbatore is the city I have in mind) =$1200 3. Release and iterate till you get good traction =$200/month/person 4. Move to Silicon Valley do the mating dance etc =$1200 Personal burn rate while at India would be as low as $200 per month without compromising on any comfort. After success, I plan to buy a…
I think that is a great idea, but I suspect you can accomplish the same thing by moving to a Midwestern college town or the ghetto in your hometown. The expense of moving is only worthwhile if you intend to take a very long time to build your product. Most web applications should only take a few months, right? If you do go to India, consider Goa. I am told it is very beautiful, very European, and the Goans speak Engl…
The downtown area is reasonably nice and, if you wanted an office, there's a bunch going up right now in the heart of downtown. If you really need a big city, you can get to chicago in ~2.5 hours.
The down side: if you drive more than 10 miles in any direction, you might start to regret your decision. Central Illinois is flatter than you might be able to conceive if you're not from the midwest. There's really just endless fields of crops in every direction outside the city - they say you can see 10 miles in any direction on a clear day, 20 if you stand on a tuna can. Also, it was in the low 60's 2 days ago... today it snowed about 6 inches with sleet and plenty of wind. I guess you get what you pay for.
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#56This is something that my wife and I thought a lot about before we moved out here, and we still work hard to keep costs very lean and mean. So, I'll write a book for ya. I've lived in Minneapolis, Chicago, LA, Providence, Fresno and now the Bay Area. And, it's the most expensive city we've lived in. There is usually a gentleman's competition ongoing as to what area is more expensive to live in: Bay Area or New York C…
That is interesting, food and restaurants actually seemed cheaper in SF than in Toronto. I haven't really visited the US much outside of the Bay Area and New York, so it's hard to compare with other places.
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#57My wife and I pay $1700/month for a two-bedroom house in Mountain View. I pay $300 each six months to insure an awesome Z3 that I never get to use (I take the train every day - $150/month for a pass between Mountain View and San Francisco). Internet is $60/month, Electric is usually about $50/month. I'm embarrassed to say I don't know how much we spend on food... I would guess about $400/month, but that could be wron…
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#58Please poke holes in this idea: 1. Save up some dollars 2. Move to a city in India that has good infrastructure (Coimbatore is the city I have in mind) =$1200 3. Release and iterate till you get good traction =$200/month/person 4. Move to Silicon Valley do the mating dance etc =$1200 Personal burn rate while at India would be as low as $200 per month without compromising on any comfort. After success, I plan to buy a…
Do you speak Hindi? This is a great idea, I want in. YCoimbatore. I know some developers in the city.
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#60Please poke holes in this idea: 1. Save up some dollars 2. Move to a city in India that has good infrastructure (Coimbatore is the city I have in mind) =$1200 3. Release and iterate till you get good traction =$200/month/person 4. Move to Silicon Valley do the mating dance etc =$1200 Personal burn rate while at India would be as low as $200 per month without compromising on any comfort. After success, I plan to buy a…
I tried that last year for a little while in a very inexpensive part of Europe. Holes: 1. Connections, funding, publicity. Kiss those opportunities goodbye. 2. Travel expenses will cost you, add another $2000(?) just for that. 3. I didn't speak the language at all... Makes it extremely hard to get a good deal on housing. Affects quality of life. 4. Places with very low costs of living and relatively high quality of l…
I moved to France two years ago. I did it just for the experience while contracting with companies in the US. If you work for a company here, then the Euro rate won't be so bad. That said, you'll have to get used to a much lower rate than people in our line of work are accustomed to. Of course, if you're reading YC--especially this post--then this isn't really a consideration.
Europe has the Schengen Agreement, which allows people from the US (and other participant nations) an automatic visa to stay for 3 months. Anything beyond that takes an enormous amount of time and red tape.
Getting a place to stay is very difficult for a foreigner. First, you have to get a bank account, which is difficult. They want 10's of K Euro and often several K frozen in case you have an overdraft, which is regarded very severely.
Once you have your bank account, you need to prepare a dossier for the real estate person to pour over. That will involve three years of tax returns, your bank accounts, letters from employers, etc. Most landlords require a personal guarantor--someone who will pay the rent if you don't. And that's for the natives! If you don't have a company to do that for you, well...I guess we got lucky (a big deposit probably helped). This is probably because it's common for people to stop paying when it cools off. There's a law that makes it illegal to evict during the cold season. The leases here are three years. Landlords can't terminate it and you can't break it without significant cause.
There are other things to consider, such as the driver's license. Mass transit is great near Paris. Otherwise, you'll probably need one. You have a year on the US DL. If you're from one of the small states with a specific agreement with the French government, you can exchange. For the rest, it's very costly and difficult. Hoops include mandatory drivers school at several K Euro. The test takes almost 1K. Retakes cost as well. There is no English option. Questions are timed (unlike most/all of the US). Sometimes no answer is correct, sometimes multiple answers are correct. Examiners try to trick you or trip you up on technicalities.
France definitely is the most difficult. Most other European countries are a little easier along one dimension or another. Regardless, though, the Euro/Dollar conversion is punishing.