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The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by mistermann »

ntdb wrote: post #53
mistermann wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, I think you are being intellectually dishonest: "Full Email Text: SUBJECT: So... that happened... what's next? I'm still trying to reconcile my own worldview with the overwhelming message that was delivered last night. Clearly there are a lot of people angry and scared as the antithesis of every modern presidential candidate won and will be our next president. While demeaning, insulting and ridiculing m…

My intention was to succinctly address the post, not to cherry pick. I do not disagree with anything in Matt's email but I do see opportunities for his intention to be misinterpreted. I agree that he could have been more careful. Frankly, statements like "anyone with common sense who is paying attention knows exactly what this means" are intellectually lazy. Please explain "exactly what this means" because I do not s…

If you do not hide the fact that you are a Trump supporter, you will be fired (or more accurately, a reason will be found for you to be fired).

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by geofft »

Latty wrote: post #60
geofft wrote: post #54

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FWIW, you bring up a good point about abortion. I'm thinking about whether my position is consistent with my belief that you shouldn't lose your job over your position on abortion. Two partial thoughts that I'd welcome criticism on: 1. Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which Pence signed and championed, gives a loud "yes" to your question. I do worry about the fact that when the left says "Racism is so wro…

It's definitely not an easy thing. Freedom of speech doesn't mean a freedom from consequence. Your two points, the first seems like a fair comparison to me. There is a line in most people's minds between policy they disagree with and things that are morally wrong. Those lines are not in the same places, so it is hard to say what is 'reasonable' to stand up for in such a way. As to your second point, I think it's a li…

That's a fair point about speech being necessary to ensure acts.

I think that in this case the behavior being condemned was quite clearly intended to be behavior that affected your work (since the work of GrubHub involves being welcoming and supportive of all sorts of people who may be employees or customers). Whether that was the received message is definitely a different thing.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by mzw_mzw »

kawera wrote: post #50
tzs wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe it's worth offending on average half of your customers I doubt that it is anywhere near half. GrubHub and similar services are mostly in cities. Clinton tended to do better than Trump in cities. Even in states like Texas and Florida, the major cities mostly went heavily Clinton. In Texas, the counties that Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio went Democrat by 27%, 13%, 39%, and 13% margins, respectively.…

And let's no forget that she got only half the votes because of massive voting suppression rights perpetrated by states in the last few years.

[citation needed]

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by mzw_mzw »

tzs wrote: post #45
Latty wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but what is the limit? To a lot of people, abortion is directly equivalent to murder. Should it be expected that they say "If you are pro-choice, hand in your resignation?". I don't have a good answer, but just supporting a candidate seems like it should not be enough. The email, in my eyes, was threatening to someone who had voted for Trump, regardless of the policies they support him on. That feels wrong to m…

> Maybe it's worth offending on average half of your customers I doubt that it is anywhere near half. GrubHub and similar services are mostly in cities. Clinton tended to do better than Trump in cities. Even in states like Texas and Florida, the major cities mostly went heavily Clinton. In Texas, the counties that Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio went Democrat by 27%, 13%, 39%, and 13% margins, respectively.…

Offending a quarter to a third of your customers doesn't sound much better, frankly.

Not to mention that you're also offending Clinton voters who don't want their workplace to be infected by politics. Despite the shrill behavior of some of her online partisans, I'm sure that's still the majority.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by mzw_mzw »

athenot wrote: post #34
pcunite wrote: post #4

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He quotes from the email. Was this not true? If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

The statement is well put. It is differentiating between the behavior and the person. Doing some quick reading comprehension stuff: - The demeaning, insulting and ridiculing BEHAVIOR has no place. - I reject the POLITICS of Donald Trump - shield our community from this MOVEMENT (i.e. the aforementioned politics) He clearly laid out values of Mr. Trump then proceeds to explain how espousing them would result in a bad…

Do you really think that someone who voted for Trump, and now fears for their employment in the context of a hard-left industry and hometown full of people freaking out and making wild threats, is going to carefully parse the letter in this fashion and decide they have nothing to worry about?

Imagine you got this letter from your boss. Would you then happily stroll up to him at the water cooler and tell him how proud you were to vote for Donald Trump on Tuesday?

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by mzw_mzw »

rockmeamedee wrote: post #36

This is kind of weird logic to me. I see the letter as a good thing. He thinks the letter is bad because Grubhub's market cap dropped $120M? To me this CEO is commendable. He stands for protecting people from a dangerous and inept man, despite the monetary (and probably social capital) costs. If dumbass VCs don't see a threat in Trump's behavior and want to shun this guy, he's ok with that. The author of this article…

Whoa, whoa, whoa. We've been assured by everyone else on this topic that the CEO wasn't saying anything bad about Trump and his supporters, no how, no way, why the very idea is absurd. And now you're saying that yup, he was, and it's great?

Who's right here?

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by tzs »

mzw_mzw wrote: post #63
kawera wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And let's no forget that she got only half the votes because of massive voting suppression rights perpetrated by states in the last few years.

[citation needed]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/federal-appeals-court-s...

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/will-2016-presidentia...

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by dllthomas »

Latty wrote: post #59
kawera wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And let's no forget that she got only half the votes because of massive voting suppression rights perpetrated by states in the last few years.

That is definitely a huge issue. More proof that FPTP and the Electoral College are fundamentally broken and not really democracy.

Those issues seem orthogonal.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by Latty »

dllthomas wrote: post #68
Latty wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is definitely a huge issue. More proof that FPTP and the Electoral College are fundamentally broken and not really democracy.

Those issues seem orthogonal.

Voter suppression is much easier to pull off and much more effective if only two parties can ever get into power. If more parties are in the running, or parties have less dominant control, gerrymandering and suppression is much harder to do effectively.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by dllthomas »

Latty wrote: post #69
dllthomas wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those issues seem orthogonal.

Voter suppression is much easier to pull off and much more effective if only two parties can ever get into power. If more parties are in the running, or parties have less dominant control, gerrymandering and suppression is much harder to do effectively.

Hmm. Quite possibly the case, but not quite obviously the case.
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