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Stallman: Why it is important not to have children (2012)

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Re: Stallman: Why it is important not to have children (2012)

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I am so glad I had children. I enjoy their company tremendously, and the added responsibility has sharpened my game. That, and the whole eco-disaster angle is overblown. Thanks to birth control, Westernized peoples are barely replacing themselves. I feel bad for poor Stallman. Too focused on saving the world to save himself.

Western people aren't even replacing themselves without immigration Europe would be in a population decline.

The US still has a positive natural population growth but many countries do not.

I find the arguments for not having children a disastrous one.

Reproduction is effectively our prime directive as a life form. Furthermore it's utterly ironic that the people that could care for their offsprings the most seem to have the least interest in reproduction.

And arguably the best way to avoid and ecological disaster is to reproduce and teach the next generation better, with each child we also increase the chance of someone being born that will have a huge impact on society, technology and culture.

Re: Stallman: Why it is important not to have children (2012)

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post #7

A very smart programmer who's made a large contribution to society decides not to have kids while people of which neither can be said breed like rabbits. Looks like we'll be watering crops with Brawndo pretty soon.

^ Idiocracy (the movie) to anyone who missed the reference.

Re: Stallman: Why it is important not to have children (2012)

#18
Before you post, 1. Are you a parent? 2. Are you about to post some variation of "Richard Stallman is emotionally broken?" i.e., "What an oversimplification by somebody who sounds like an emotional failure", or "I feel bad for poor Stallman" or "What a sad man" 3. Are you a parent, or have strong feelings about becoming a parent?

If you answered yes on step 3, and want to know how I knew, it's because you disregarded that Richard puts his ethical argument for the implications to humanity first, and you go for personal "attacks" rather than addressing the crux of the argument.

Re: Stallman: Why it is important not to have children (2012)

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I am so glad I had children. I enjoy their company tremendously, and the added responsibility has sharpened my game. That, and the whole eco-disaster angle is overblown. Thanks to birth control, Westernized peoples are barely replacing themselves. I feel bad for poor Stallman. Too focused on saving the world to save himself.

Not replacing ourself is a good thing. We are too many, and right now we want the population to grow because our economical system depend on it. This is reverse thinking. We have economical problems because there are too many of us. Too many to feed. Too many to host. Too many with a car, a smartphone, heaters in the winter, and eating meat 5 times a week.

We would have zero resources problem with 1/3 or our current population. Pollution, climat change, administration issues, education... All that stuff are way harder because there are too many of us.

Of course, we could consume less, but since we are unable to do that, being a smaller number is a much easier solution.

There is also a very unhealty "cult of having children". People that don't have children are considered incomplete and looked down. It's a must have, a goal you are supposed to try to reach in your live.

And of course, there is the fact most people I met in my life suck at being parent. They are feeding and clothing their children, but their ability to educate is terrible, and they spend years at training their children to have the same fear and ignorance they have. The children that were creative, full of energy, of potential, turn into the same zombies their parent are. Scared, unable to create something. Unhappy.

So no, you are not a bad person for having children. But it's sane to say most people should at least consider not having any. There should be a debate. It should not be obvious.

Raising children correctly is one of the hardest job ever, yet, most people have children almost without thinking about it. It is scary.

Re: Stallman: Why it is important not to have children (2012)

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I am so glad I had children. I enjoy their company tremendously, and the added responsibility has sharpened my game. That, and the whole eco-disaster angle is overblown. Thanks to birth control, Westernized peoples are barely replacing themselves. I feel bad for poor Stallman. Too focused on saving the world to save himself.

Western people aren't even replacing themselves without immigration Europe would be in a population decline. The US still has a positive natural population growth but many countries do not. I find the arguments for not having children a disastrous one. Reproduction is effectively our prime directive as a life form. Furthermore it's utterly ironic that the people that could care for their offsprings the most seem to h…

That presupposes some reason for humanity to keep existing.
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