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Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by vishalzone2002 »

athenot wrote: post #34
pcunite wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He quotes from the email. Was this not true? If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

The statement is well put. It is differentiating between the behavior and the person. Doing some quick reading comprehension stuff: - The demeaning, insulting and ridiculing BEHAVIOR has no place. - I reject the POLITICS of Donald Trump - shield our community from this MOVEMENT (i.e. the aforementioned politics) He clearly laid out values of Mr. Trump then proceeds to explain how espousing them would result in a bad…

Thanks for wording this :

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by ant6n »

Latty wrote: post #40
ant6n wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If instead, the email had decried actual issues that will (in my opinion) come from the Trump presidency, then that would have been reasonable. "I absolutely reject the nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics of Donald Trump" While probably not a good idea (especially with Trump supporters having a bit of a chip on their shoulder), the e-mail did make it clear what behavior he's not going to accept at his…

My view is that plenty of Trump's support is white people who believe they are under attack - there has been a push for some time that every gain for the rights of minorities comes at the cost of the majority. Those people are falling for a racist lie, and telling them 'If you support this candidate, get out.' isn't going to help that, just push them further to feel that lie is true, and entrench their support. Inste…

On the face of it this is of course reasonable, the problem is the context. You're basically asking people that have been oppressed and are fighting for their rights (often resulting in more vicious oppression), to now come and cuddle what they perceive as their current and former oppressors.

Another issue is that the many white males who perceive themselves as under attack respond to it by engaging in even more vicious racism and sexism. Just look at the way they treated Obama who didn't actually do much if anything to threaten white people, he was barely noticeable as black.

Maybe people who are fighting for their rights are sick and tired of the racists and sexists, and now having to reach out a hand to them yet again, when they themselves have always refused that.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by Latty »

boona wrote: post #13
vishalzone2002 wrote: post #2

Again such a wrong headline. He did not say that at all. He pointed out specific ideas of Trump that he was against and those are the ones that any sane person would be against. Clickbait titles can be very harmful.

> those are the ones that any sane person would be against That's the kind of elitism that put Trump into power. That aside, I'm glad to see that some leftists are starting to come around to the idea that through trying to fight bigotry, they themselves have become the bigots. I'm not saying Donald Trump is right when it comes to issues of nationalism and immigration, but very intelligent and well meaning people exis…

I don't think it's elitism, it's people simply living in a different world.

If you have been left-leaning, you have been living in a world where Trump's policies are scary, racist stuff that belongs way in the past.

If you have been right-leaning, you have been living in a world where white people have been under attack for the last x years, and Trump is offering respite.

The left just didn't realise the extent of people that believed that lie. It's not elitist, it's just huge surprise - people are saying things and supporting things we thought were sorted years ago.

If a candidate came out and supported reintroducing slavery, and they got half of the vote, people would be understandably surprised. This is the light version of that.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by mistermann »

ntdb wrote: post #16

What Matt Maloney (Grubhub CEO) said was: "I want to affirm to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, that I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States. If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here." That'…

Respectfully, I think you are being intellectually dishonest:

"Full Email Text:

SUBJECT: So... that happened... what's next?

I'm still trying to reconcile my own worldview with the overwhelming message that was delivered last night. Clearly there are a lot of people angry and scared as the antithesis of every modern presidential candidate won and will be our next president.

While demeaning, insulting and ridiculing minorities, immigrants and the physically/mentally disabled worked for Mr. Trump, I want to be clear that this behavior - and these views, have no place at Grubhub. Had he worked here, many of his comments would have resulted in his immediate termination.

We have worked for years cultivating a culture of support and inclusiveness. I firmly believe that we must bring together different perspectives to continue innovating - including all genders, races, ethnicities and sexual, cultural or ideological preferences. We are better, faster and stronger together.

Further I absolutely reject the nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics of Donald Trump and will work to shield our community from this movement as best as I can. As we all try to understand what this vote means to us, I want to affirm to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, that I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States.

If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here. We do not tolerate hateful attitudes on our team.I want to repeat what Hillary said this morning, that the new administration deserves our open minds and a chance to lead, but never stop believing that the fight for what's right is worth it.

Stay strong, Matt"

Cherry pick and twist however you want but anyone with common sense who is paying attention knows exactly what this means.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by tzs »

Latty wrote: post #39
geofft wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career. Do they? Why? What if your politics is supporting the KKK? This isn't a hyperbolic example: when I was very young, my state almost elected a former KKK grand wizard to the governorship. Are people that the KKK wants to get rid of supposed to be supportive of the careers of KKK members? The only way I can see this working is if we treat "po…

Sure, but what is the limit? To a lot of people, abortion is directly equivalent to murder. Should it be expected that they say "If you are pro-choice, hand in your resignation?". I don't have a good answer, but just supporting a candidate seems like it should not be enough. The email, in my eyes, was threatening to someone who had voted for Trump, regardless of the policies they support him on. That feels wrong to m…

> Maybe it's worth offending on average half of your customers

I doubt that it is anywhere near half. GrubHub and similar services are mostly in cities. Clinton tended to do better than Trump in cities. Even in states like Texas and Florida, the major cities mostly went heavily Clinton.

In Texas, the counties that Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio went Democrat by 27%, 13%, 39%, and 13% margins, respectively. Fort Worth and Corpus Christi went Republican by 9% and 2% margins, respectively.

In Florida, the counties that include Miami, W. Palm Beach, Orlando, Tampa, and Tallahassee went Democrat by margins of 30%, 15%, 7%, and 25%, respectively. Jacksonville went Republican, by 2%.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by Latty »

ant6n wrote: post #42
Latty wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My view is that plenty of Trump's support is white people who believe they are under attack - there has been a push for some time that every gain for the rights of minorities comes at the cost of the majority. Those people are falling for a racist lie, and telling them 'If you support this candidate, get out.' isn't going to help that, just push them further to feel that lie is true, and entrench their support. Inste…

On the face of it this is of course reasonable, the problem is the context. You're basically asking people that have been oppressed and are fighting for their rights (often resulting in more vicious oppression), to now come and cuddle what they perceive as their current and former oppressors. Another issue is that the many white males who perceive themselves as under attack respond to it by engaging in even more vici…

"Come and cuddle" isn't really the same thing as not firing someone.

I agree with your second point - but I don't see how that's solved by firing them - again, it's just going to reinforce the idea that "white men are under attack!".

I get what you are saying, but it turns out almost half of the voting population agrees with his ideas, so the fight isn't over. I, too, thought we were past this point, but clearly we are not. It's exhausting, but it's reality.

I'm hoping that it's just people believing the lie - hopefully people will realise that denying other's their rights won't magically solve unrelated problems they have. Enabling their victim complex by doing stuff like this definitely won't help.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by LyndsySimon »

jackmaney wrote: post #30
perseusprime11 wrote: post #6

"If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here" This is elitist and exactly why we are here today. The country right now needs all of us to be at our best and show inclusiveness.

How am I supposed to show inclusiveness to someone that wants to trample on my civil rights and endanger the lives of my family?

I understand where you're coming from, and I empathize. I'd like you to try to see the world from my eyes, where that exact same statement applies, word for word, about Hillary Clinton's stance on gun rights.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by Latty »

tzs wrote: post #45
Latty wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but what is the limit? To a lot of people, abortion is directly equivalent to murder. Should it be expected that they say "If you are pro-choice, hand in your resignation?". I don't have a good answer, but just supporting a candidate seems like it should not be enough. The email, in my eyes, was threatening to someone who had voted for Trump, regardless of the policies they support him on. That feels wrong to m…

> Maybe it's worth offending on average half of your customers I doubt that it is anywhere near half. GrubHub and similar services are mostly in cities. Clinton tended to do better than Trump in cities. Even in states like Texas and Florida, the major cities mostly went heavily Clinton. In Texas, the counties that Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio went Democrat by 27%, 13%, 39%, and 13% margins, respectively.…

Sure, that's true. Still, I don't think it's going to help do anything other than push the idea that white men are under attack, which is the lie that to me, seems to be fuelling the Trump train.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by boona »

Latty wrote: post #43
boona wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> those are the ones that any sane person would be against That's the kind of elitism that put Trump into power. That aside, I'm glad to see that some leftists are starting to come around to the idea that through trying to fight bigotry, they themselves have become the bigots. I'm not saying Donald Trump is right when it comes to issues of nationalism and immigration, but very intelligent and well meaning people exis…

I don't think it's elitism, it's people simply living in a different world. If you have been left-leaning, you have been living in a world where Trump's policies are scary, racist stuff that belongs way in the past. If you have been right-leaning, you have been living in a world where white people have been under attack for the last x years, and Trump is offering respite. The left just didn't realise the extent of pe…

> The left just didn't realise the extent of people that believed that lie.

Believing what lie?

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by kawera »

tzs wrote: post #45
Latty wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but what is the limit? To a lot of people, abortion is directly equivalent to murder. Should it be expected that they say "If you are pro-choice, hand in your resignation?". I don't have a good answer, but just supporting a candidate seems like it should not be enough. The email, in my eyes, was threatening to someone who had voted for Trump, regardless of the policies they support him on. That feels wrong to m…

> Maybe it's worth offending on average half of your customers I doubt that it is anywhere near half. GrubHub and similar services are mostly in cities. Clinton tended to do better than Trump in cities. Even in states like Texas and Florida, the major cities mostly went heavily Clinton. In Texas, the counties that Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio went Democrat by 27%, 13%, 39%, and 13% margins, respectively.…

And let's no forget that she got only half the votes because of massive voting suppression rights perpetrated by states in the last few years.
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