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The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Clearly, this email was a terrible idea. People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career. That being said, the statement sounds terrible when summarised like this. The email was (to my eyes) clearly intended as a message of support to those who felt threatened by Trump's policies. By pairing it with Trump's politics specifically, it is turned into a threat to those who support Trump. Wheth…

> If instead, the email had decried actual issues that will (in my opinion) come from the Trump presidency, then that would have been reasonable.

"I absolutely reject the nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics of Donald Trump"

While probably not a good idea (especially with Trump supporters having a bit of a chip on their shoulder), the e-mail did make it clear what behavior he's not going to accept at his work place.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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post #20

Clearly, this email was a terrible idea. People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career. That being said, the statement sounds terrible when summarised like this. The email was (to my eyes) clearly intended as a message of support to those who felt threatened by Trump's policies. By pairing it with Trump's politics specifically, it is turned into a threat to those who support Trump. Wheth…

> People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career.

Do they? Why?

What if your politics is supporting the KKK? This isn't a hyperbolic example: when I was very young, my state almost elected a former KKK grand wizard to the governorship. Are people that the KKK wants to get rid of supposed to be supportive of the careers of KKK members?

The only way I can see this working is if we treat "politics" as a sort of abstract break-room argument that we can all ignore at the end of the day. And this email is saying that, while that's usually true enough to get by, this particular presidency is an exception. (I don't expect it would have been sent for any other candidate in the primary of any party.) If it weren't possible for politics to have such exceptions time-to-time, it wouldn't be a pursuit that mattered.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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The email just shows what a sheep he is for regurgitating everything the media has said about Trump without actually taking a second to think about it.

Trump's wife is an immigrant! Can there be any better proof that Trump doesn't hate immigrants? The xenophobia argument was bullshit made up by the media to manipulate people to vote for Hillary and this CEO bought it hook line and sinker.

Trump media also told a lot of bullshit - I'm not trying to target Hillary supporters specifically. I would say the same thing if a CEO was trying to tell his employees that Hillary should be 'locked up' if Trump had lost - To me it would be equally stupid media-vomit.

It's just that when I see how much of a 'follower' (of the media) these supposed 'leaders' can be, it's depressing.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Again such a wrong headline. He did not say that at all. He pointed out specific ideas of Trump that he was against and those are the ones that any sane person would be against. Clickbait titles can be very harmful.

He quotes from the email. Was this not true? If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

The statement is well put. It is differentiating between the behavior and the person.

Doing some quick reading comprehension stuff:

- The demeaning, insulting and ridiculing BEHAVIOR has no place.

- I reject the POLITICS of Donald Trump

- shield our community from this MOVEMENT (i.e. the aforementioned politics)

He clearly laid out values of Mr. Trump then proceeds to explain how espousing them would result in a bad fit for his company.

More specifically, here's what cannot be derived from his email:

- "If you VOTED for Trump you're fired." As hard as it is for me to understand, I do realize one may have other reasons why he/she voted for Trump.

- "If you support Trump, you're fired." This one is murky but one may support some of his actions while rejecting others.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Again such a wrong headline. He did not say that at all. He pointed out specific ideas of Trump that he was against and those are the ones that any sane person would be against. Clickbait titles can be very harmful.

> those are the ones that any sane person would be against That's the kind of elitism that put Trump into power. That aside, I'm glad to see that some leftists are starting to come around to the idea that through trying to fight bigotry, they themselves have become the bigots. I'm not saying Donald Trump is right when it comes to issues of nationalism and immigration, but very intelligent and well meaning people exis…

> That's the kind of elitism that put Trump into power ... I'm afraid that if we don't start a dialog soon ...

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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This is kind of weird logic to me. I see the letter as a good thing.

He thinks the letter is bad because Grubhub's market cap dropped $120M? To me this CEO is commendable. He stands for protecting people from a dangerous and inept man, despite the monetary (and probably social capital) costs. If dumbass VCs don't see a threat in Trump's behavior and want to shun this guy, he's ok with that.

The author of this article is saying "Don't say bad things about the fascists, you'll lose money". I strongly disagree. Do everything you can to keep people, at-risk communities, and the planet safe during this presidency.

Someone else wrote it better on twitter today: "The Holocaust Museum in DC features IBM in its permanent exhibition. Our industry can choose its role in history." (by @marcprecipice)

If you weren't previously aware of the fact that IBM used its technology to facilitate the Holocaust, you can read about it here: http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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What Matt Maloney (Grubhub CEO) said was: "I want to affirm to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, that I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States. If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here." That'…

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Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He quotes from the email. Was this not true? If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

"this statement" = "As we all try to understand what this vote means to us, I want to affirm to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, that I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States." Basically, if you don't feel like you can be part of the "everyone here at Gruhub [who] will fight…

What he says at the core is perfectly fine. His mistake is politicizing the message when there is no need for that and hinting at a connection between Trump becoming president and that the people who voted for him likely don't support what is written in the e-mail.

From an outsider's perspective: The reason for that might stem from the fact that this election was fought like a war, as in, they demonized the enemy. This was especially strong when it came to Trump. So now that the election/war is over, some people can't go back to view the "other" side in a rational way. For them, that side is still exactly everything the media told them it is and I believe that is the case here.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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post #32
post #20

Clearly, this email was a terrible idea. People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career. That being said, the statement sounds terrible when summarised like this. The email was (to my eyes) clearly intended as a message of support to those who felt threatened by Trump's policies. By pairing it with Trump's politics specifically, it is turned into a threat to those who support Trump. Wheth…

> People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career. Do they? Why? What if your politics is supporting the KKK? This isn't a hyperbolic example: when I was very young, my state almost elected a former KKK grand wizard to the governorship. Are people that the KKK wants to get rid of supposed to be supportive of the careers of KKK members? The only way I can see this working is if we treat "po…

Sure, but what is the limit? To a lot of people, abortion is directly equivalent to murder. Should it be expected that they say "If you are pro-choice, hand in your resignation?".

I don't have a good answer, but just supporting a candidate seems like it should not be enough. The email, in my eyes, was threatening to someone who had voted for Trump, regardless of the policies they support him on. That feels wrong to me.

I don't understand how people justified voting for Trump to themselves without holding views I find abhorrent, but I'm not omniscient. At some point you have to say that if almost half of the voting population support someone, their views are at least common enough to take pause.

I honestly don't know. Before all this, I'd have agreed with you. I thought that people who would be willing to support such - in my view - horrific policies would be few and far between, and would write them off, but clearly this is more widespread, we have not progressed as far as we thought.

Maybe it's worth offending on average half of your customers and losing staff to reject Trump's politics, but I have to ask if that's effective if this is where we are at. It's all good and well to stand up for your principles, but does it actually result in progress?

Defending your employees who might suffer as a result of the policies, 100% - it would be unconscionable not to, but the way the email was set up made it more than that.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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post #31
post #20

Clearly, this email was a terrible idea. People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career. That being said, the statement sounds terrible when summarised like this. The email was (to my eyes) clearly intended as a message of support to those who felt threatened by Trump's policies. By pairing it with Trump's politics specifically, it is turned into a threat to those who support Trump. Wheth…

> If instead, the email had decried actual issues that will (in my opinion) come from the Trump presidency, then that would have been reasonable. "I absolutely reject the nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics of Donald Trump" While probably not a good idea (especially with Trump supporters having a bit of a chip on their shoulder), the e-mail did make it clear what behavior he's not going to accept at his…

My view is that plenty of Trump's support is white people who believe they are under attack - there has been a push for some time that every gain for the rights of minorities comes at the cost of the majority. Those people are falling for a racist lie, and telling them 'If you support this candidate, get out.' isn't going to help that, just push them further to feel that lie is true, and entrench their support.

Instead, if the email had explained the harm those policies might do to colleagues, and how the company aims to defend those people... maybe views get changed.

Honestly, I imagine this email is an angry mistake, intended to provide help to those who will suffer support, however, it ends up being an unintended threat. It's hard to say without a magical detector for intent, but the damage is done.

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