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Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Trump's strategy worked brilliantly on social media. Here's the strategy in a nutshell: 1) Say something outrageous that news orgs will grab for a quick, clickbait story that will generate tons of ad revenue. 2) Let outraged people share via social media. 3) Benefit as some of the people seeing the content will not disagree and will take the candidacy seriously. 4) Win. It doesn't matter what Facebook does with its t…

Except he closed the gap in the last few weeks of the race when he stopped saying outrageous shit.

People still want to believe that Trump couldn't have won except by exploiting stupid people.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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I think I would argue that this is beyond an AI-complete problem, it is an unanswerable problem. For instance, consider the following spectrum of ideas: - The earth is flat - 9/11 conspiracy theories - Barack Obama was born in Kenya - Anti-vax - Climate change denial - Anti-GMO - Denial of underlying quantum randomness in the universe - The Clinton Foundation has been or is involved in some shady dealings - Muslims w…

Could you elaborate on what "AI-complete" means? I have not heard this term before. I am assuming it similar to NP-Complete but in the domain of AI? If this correct I assume that there are also problem that are classified as AI-hard?

AI-complete, I believe, means 'full AI'. An AI-Complete problem is a problem that can't be solved without creating full human-level (or above) AI.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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> That said, the current president did jack sh#t about it Did you get a chance to see this? https://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/climate-change > In September 2013, EPA announced proposed standards for new power plants and initiated outreach to a wide variety of stakeholders to help inform the development of emission guidelines for existing plants. In June 2014, EPA released the Clean Power Plan — the first-ever carbon…

Blah blah blah, announcements of a plan to create a committee to create a committee. The fact is no tough environmental legislation was actually enacted. And solar grew because it got massively cheaper. Guess what, it'll continue to grow under Trump. Don't get me wrong, I did vote for Obama (again mostly because he promised to end wars), but he ended up being a complete disappointment on almost everything.

> Blah blah blah, announcements of a plan to create a committee to create a committee.

You're willfully ignoring things I wrote up there to paint a very dishonest narrative.

> Every year, the President’s budget continues to invest in the crucial programs that will keep the United States at the forefront of clean energy research, development, and deployment.

Read this -- research into clean energy requires funding from the federal government. Much like the moonshots projects in the 60s in space and defense, we need something similar in a way that's not entirely dependent on the Wall Street markets (who are focused on short term gains).

Don't you think this is much better and actionable than a committee?

> And solar grew because it got massively cheaper. Guess what, it'll continue to grow under Trump.

Why can't Obama claim credit for that? Do you think it would have happened independently of his administration's viewpoints on solar?

No doubt, if he holds status quo, solar will continue to grow at the same or higher pace. But if he subsidizes coal further, I would be skeptical. But we will know whether your prediction was true or not in a few years time.

> Don't get me wrong, I did vote for Obama

I'm not getting you wrong, you're getting me wrong. You're just dismissing reasonable conversation. And you voting for Obama doesn't give you a blank cheque to parade inarticulate arguments nor does it give you the freedom to cherrypick what you liked and disliked about his election.

> http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/supreme-court-obama-e...

Read that. His administration has been hampered by Republicans on partisan lines from 2010, and maybe even day 1 depending on whom you ask.

Don't get me wrong, I welcome criticism about his transparency, whistleblower treatment, and spying.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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> That said, the current president did jack sh#t about it Did you get a chance to see this? https://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/climate-change > In September 2013, EPA announced proposed standards for new power plants and initiated outreach to a wide variety of stakeholders to help inform the development of emission guidelines for existing plants. In June 2014, EPA released the Clean Power Plan — the first-ever carbon…

Blah blah blah, announcements of a plan to create a committee to create a committee. The fact is no tough environmental legislation was actually enacted. And solar grew because it got massively cheaper. Guess what, it'll continue to grow under Trump. Don't get me wrong, I did vote for Obama (again mostly because he promised to end wars), but he ended up being a complete disappointment on almost everything.

Why do you consider the Clean Power Plan not tough?

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Aren't Bud and you socializing right now? Hell, I even feel I'm socializing a bit with you, how wrong am I?

Are you picking on me? Making a joke that we share? Challenging me to come up with a retort? Asking me to join in to a shared humorous narrative? Giving me a friendly jibe about an error or weakness you perceive? We assume positive intent online because otherwise we get flame wars, but there's a helluva lot of body language and inflection that can take the comment you made and make it mean a dozen things. All of that…

I disagree. For me, and I think for many, online interactions are a just as much a form of socialization as going out in person. For very small groups, I generally prefer the in person version, but for larger groups, I think I get more out of the online setting.

Let's take our relationship, for example. I've been cohabiting some of the same online spaces as you for at least the last decade. For me, you are a valued part of that ecosystem, more so than most of my physical neighbors who I chat with in person a couple times a year.

No, I wouldn't recognize you on the street, but I struggle with face blindness, so it's a weak criterion. Would I "miss you" if you died? No, but I'd certainly reflect sadly on your death if I learned about it. "Remember the nice way you did X"? No, but I have trouble coming up with such an X most people I interact with locally.

There's no humanity here.

I'm surprised you would say this. Is this a recent change in your view of online interactions or have you always felt this way? Quantitively I find about the same amount of humanity here as I do elsewhere, and qualitatively I prefer many things about what I find here to what I see when I go out in person. Are you OK?

(ps. I notice that many of the links in the sidebar of your site are broken.)

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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I read somewhere that Facebook isn't liable for information posted there, that the user's posting the information is the liable party. Here in Sweden, that's not how news organizations work. Here, whatever they publish they are liable for, regardless of who originally wrote it. I know Facebook isn't a news organization, but it's treading a fine line isn't it? At some point one might argue that by being an aggregator…

I think what you're miss is the safe harbor parts of the DMCA in the USA. They offer protection for any user generated content on the web provided the operators respond to DMCA requests within a certain time (24h?). Without these safe harbor provisions the idea is that the web would crumble under the weight of liability. Think about shared hosting companies, AWS, a public forum like this and then consider how much effort it would take to police the amount of content being created by users.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Eh... unless you have numbers, I'm going to disagree. I don't visit FB much, but I've seen enough other social media to know that both sides play the same game. They both leave out data, mis-use existing data, and outright lie. I'd love statistics to prove me wrong.

>They both leave out data, mis-use existing data, and outright lie. I'd love statistics to prove me wrong. I don't disagree with this at all. I just said that they are framing this as if the only propaganda on social media comes from the right.

My apologies then for mis-understanding!

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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What would be so bad about at&t offering a service that banned fraudsters from calling you? Or if the USPS refused to deliver mail that said "URGENT TIME SENSITIVE" on the envelope unless the sender could prove it really was urgent? As someone with elderly relatives who've fallen for scams over email (which major email providers already do block, automatically), I would celebrate both of those outcomes.

Labeling something "misinformation" is not an objective act, period. Facebook will be engaging in censorship if they pursue this.

Objectivity is literally about things being factual regardless of subjective opinions.

There's nuance in the world, but if someone says "The earth is flat", it's not dystopian for a newspaper or online newsfeed to editorialize and minimize those claims.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Look folks, I get that this is a libertarian crowd but hear me out:

If someone says the earth is flat, it's not dystopian for editors to minimize those claims, or even point out how incorrect they are. Instead, in today's media world, the response would be, "two sides disagree on contour of the planet", and would present two talking heads to chatter about their opinions.

Facts are facts, and we're losing the battle online to disinformation.

Beware of slippery slope arguments about how editorializing leads to propaganda.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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https://www.fastcoexist.com/3061574/the-new-nationalism-of-b...

It has less to do with "the digital age" and more to do with governments ignoring large numbers of voters. This is what's supposed to happen when the ruling class gets out of touch.

The idea of a unified "ruling class" is laughable. The current president is constantly at odds with the political party that controls the Senate and the House of Representatives.

I also disagree with the notion that most congressmen are out of touch with their voters. Each individual congressman is pursuing the agenda he or she was voted into office by his or her constituents. An example: some constituents want to repeal Obamacare while those in other districts want to preserve it. Each set is affected differently so it is reasonable for different districts to have different opinions.

Deadlock is a feature of this Republic; the founders considered it to be superior to a tyranny of the majority over minority interests.

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