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In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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> I don’t see how you can have a therapeutic space that’s also an intellectual space. College should be a place where your beliefs should be challenged. If we've learned anything, echo chambers are strong and becoming stronger. The only way to combat that is with adversity.

The University of Up is Down?

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post #20

> I don’t see how you can have a therapeutic space that’s also an intellectual space. College should be a place where your beliefs should be challenged. If we've learned anything, echo chambers are strong and becoming stronger. The only way to combat that is with adversity.

What if that belief is that you're fine being an LGBTQ person, and the "challenge" is from people who believe that you shouldn't exist or have the same rights as others?

If you believe you are right then why can't you simply disagree with it, rather than hide from anything that _might_ be a "challenge"?

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This article is from March 2015, and shows that the writing has been on the wall for quite a while. The "safe spaces" movement is a plague, and I am sick of it. I hold extremely diverse viewpoints which span the political spectrum. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. How can liberals claim to be accepting of all viewpoints but, in reality, only accept those that align with their pseudo-personal-Utopia outlook…

In the same vein, I suggested discussing who we voted for the US Elections and why (I also mention SJW's bullying speakers off of campuses)- and my Ask HN was flagged ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12932905 ). I figured it would be timely and on-topic as a result: "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence,…

I think there's a group of users on HN, including myself that wishes politics were not on the site. One can go almost anywhere to find political discussions because the threshold to join them is so low. Sometimes tech related politics gets a pass on here, but anything else tends to lead down a path of a low signal to noise ratio for insightful site content.

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post #4

This article is from March 2015, and shows that the writing has been on the wall for quite a while. The "safe spaces" movement is a plague, and I am sick of it. I hold extremely diverse viewpoints which span the political spectrum. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. How can liberals claim to be accepting of all viewpoints but, in reality, only accept those that align with their pseudo-personal-Utopia outlook…

My mind is open, much like a sieve. I find these discussions of tolerance fascinating. The core message of people that preach tolerance is that we shouldn't give people are hard time for views and beliefs that don't harm others, not that we should accept all views and beliefs as being equally useful. Of course the issue most comes to a head in situations like gay marriage, where a large group of people see it as caus…

When "harm" is in the eye of the beholder, anything can be rationalized as harmful for political gain.

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Nytimes should be banned from HN. It is paywalled and the information is dubiously sourced, if even true. This is not an acceptable source of news nor fact.

(Re paywall: use the "web" link above to bypass)

Re sources: You propose we don't read this a article on education because they didn't back your candidate? Please.

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post #4

This article is from March 2015, and shows that the writing has been on the wall for quite a while. The "safe spaces" movement is a plague, and I am sick of it. I hold extremely diverse viewpoints which span the political spectrum. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. How can liberals claim to be accepting of all viewpoints but, in reality, only accept those that align with their pseudo-personal-Utopia outlook…

I don't have a problem with safe spaces. To me, they're like office break rooms. Sometimes you just need a minute to disengage. But, if you're spending your whole day in there, I'm going to question why you show up to work in the first place.

Legit question for you: Why can't "safe spaces" equate to "I just want to disengage" ?

I find that when I personally want a "disengagement break", I get more relaxation in just holing myself up at home vs taking over someone else's area.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the New York Times is not an acceptable source of news then I'm the President-elect.

This is the same stupid shit as the election. My point is that there is apparent proof of dubious tactics in the wikileaks disclosures, their failure to call te election polling close, and the immeadiate dismissal of the comey announcement. You can disagree with this evidence, but telling me "you feel" im wrong isnt intellectual.

It sounds like we're reading different NY Times regarding how they covered Comey's announcement. Immediate dismissal?

And there was a world of difference in how the NY Times or Guardian covered trump and how "new media" liberal echo chambers like Vox or Huff Post did.

Polling is hard and pretty much everyone was wrong on it, and we don't even know if it was "wrong" wrong or just on the wrong side of the margin of error... Shit happens.

I will withold judgment on your wikileaks claims until there's specific links to look at.

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the same stupid shit as the election. My point is that there is apparent proof of dubious tactics in the wikileaks disclosures, their failure to call te election polling close, and the immeadiate dismissal of the comey announcement. You can disagree with this evidence, but telling me "you feel" im wrong isnt intellectual.

Same with you feeling you're right. And I cannot trust any wikileaks sources, so unless you've got something else, I don't see you backing up your argument.

I havent double checked, however I believe the same batch came from the US State Dept

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same vein, I suggested discussing who we voted for the US Elections and why (I also mention SJW's bullying speakers off of campuses)- and my Ask HN was flagged ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12932905 ). I figured it would be timely and on-topic as a result: "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence,…

I think there's a group of users on HN, including myself that wishes politics were not on the site. One can go almost anywhere to find political discussions because the threshold to join them is so low. Sometimes tech related politics gets a pass on here, but anything else tends to lead down a path of a low signal to noise ratio for insightful site content.

Are you saying this post is likely to be flagged as well? Tut tut.

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post #20

> I don’t see how you can have a therapeutic space that’s also an intellectual space. College should be a place where your beliefs should be challenged. If we've learned anything, echo chambers are strong and becoming stronger. The only way to combat that is with adversity.

What if that belief is that you're fine being an LGBTQ person, and the "challenge" is from people who believe that you shouldn't exist or have the same rights as others?

Then oddly enough, it becomes less about you being challenged and more about those who believe you shouldn't exist being challenged. Colleges are great for exposure to peers with varying backgrounds and beliefs and are great for fostering understanding of each other's viewpoints. Isolating your group to spaces of the same people will probably strengthen that demarcation and lessen the incentive (and the ability) for those with hardened beliefs to understand the other side's viewpoints. Sometimes all it takes is befriending one LGBTQ to melt that belief.
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