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The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by ethanbond »

pcunite wrote: post #4
vishalzone2002 wrote: post #2

Again such a wrong headline. He did not say that at all. He pointed out specific ideas of Trump that he was against and those are the ones that any sane person would be against. Clickbait titles can be very harmful.

He quotes from the email. Was this not true? If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

"this statement" = "As we all try to understand what this vote means to us, I want to affirm to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, that I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States."

Basically, if you don't feel like you can be part of the "everyone here at Gruhub [who] will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life... in the United States," you don't belong. Nothing about the act of supporting Trump, per se.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by urda »

pcunite wrote: post #8
pcunite wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He quotes from the email. Was this not true? If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

Update, here is a link to the original memo. It does in fact contain this phrase. http://media.grubhub.com/media/press-releases/press-release-...

Grubhub has lost my business today because of this.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by boona »

vishalzone2002 wrote: post #2

Again such a wrong headline. He did not say that at all. He pointed out specific ideas of Trump that he was against and those are the ones that any sane person would be against. Clickbait titles can be very harmful.

> those are the ones that any sane person would be against

That's the kind of elitism that put Trump into power.

That aside, I'm glad to see that some leftists are starting to come around to the idea that through trying to fight bigotry, they themselves have become the bigots. I'm not saying Donald Trump is right when it comes to issues of nationalism and immigration, but very intelligent and well meaning people exists on both sides of that debate. I'm afraid that if we don't start a dialog soon, Trump will seem like a walk in the park compared to what extremist movement will come up next.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by ant6n »

pcunite wrote: post #4
vishalzone2002 wrote: post #2

Again such a wrong headline. He did not say that at all. He pointed out specific ideas of Trump that he was against and those are the ones that any sane person would be against. Clickbait titles can be very harmful.

He quotes from the email. Was this not true? If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here.

This statement being "I want to affirm to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, that I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States"

I wonder what happens if somebody tells him "I voted for Trump, and now I'm scared and feel personally exposed".

I don't know how to view this. Clearly Matt wants to protect his employees from bigotry to not make them feel scared. But now the Trump supporters may feel scared. In this company, are they turning from a perceived oppressed minority into an actual one?

It's all very paradox-head-explosiony, and there aren't good answers.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by woofyman »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #6

"If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here" This is elitist and exactly why we are here today. The country right now needs all of us to be at our best and show inclusiveness.

That needs to start with Trump as he picks rabidly anti-gay Ken Blackwell to his transition team.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1596184

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by ntdb »

What Matt Maloney (Grubhub CEO) said was:

"I want to affirm to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, that I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States. If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here."

That's not an statement against supporting Donald Trump, that's a demand for the protection of human dignity and opportunity. Perhaps the author assumes that there are no Trump supporters who support dignity and opportunity for all, an absolutely false generalization.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by jameshart »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #6

"If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here" This is elitist and exactly why we are here today. The country right now needs all of us to be at our best and show inclusiveness.

The statement which he was asking people to agree with being:

"to anyone on our team that is scared or feels personally exposed, I and everyone else here at Grubhub will fight for your dignity and your right to make a better life for yourself and your family here in the United States"

That seems pretty inclusive to me. I have no idea in what way it is 'elitist'.

Re: The Real Lesson in Grubhub CEO Telling Trump Supporters to Resign

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Post by Latty »

Clearly, this email was a terrible idea. People have a right to their own politics without it affecting their career.

That being said, the statement sounds terrible when summarised like this. The email was (to my eyes) clearly intended as a message of support to those who felt threatened by Trump's policies.

By pairing it with Trump's politics specifically, it is turned into a threat to those who support Trump. Whether the author did this intentionally is pretty irrelevant, he's going to end up threatening those people just as he tried to defend others against being threatened. While he technically didn't say explicitly what the title claims, it's clearly implied (intentionally or not).

If instead, the email had decried actual issues that will (in my opinion) come from the Trump presidency, then that would have been reasonable.

This is, as always, the hard question of how far we have to tolerate intolerance. Generally we draw the line at a call to action, and supporting a candidate definitely doesn't cross that line.

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