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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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> Let's hope _other_ people's freedoms aren't being taken away thanks to your vote, though. Such as? > I also don't see why you would Trump will actually listen to you. Because he says so? You trust what he says? I'm not talking about Trump listening. I'm talking about liberals listening to trump supporters trying to explain to them why they lost, and why they feel they are taking away freedom of speech. > I understa…

> Such as? Well, I'm thinking mostly same sex marriage, maybe the freedom of religion (which seems to be OK for most, unless you're a muslim). Trump promises a conservative SCOTUS nomination, so everything that comes out of that as a side effect has a risk of people's rights being take away, mostly the progress made under the Obama administration > I'm not talking about Trump listening. I'm talking about liberals lis…

> Same sex marriage

Trump: The Supreme Court has issued an opinion on this. Same-sex marriage is an issue that should have been decided by the states.

There are many LGBT supporters of Trump. Milo Yiannopolous is a hero amongst all Trump supporters, and he is gay. The world has moved on - Democrats just want something to be angry about.

> Freedom of religion

It is about terrorism and not about religion.

> He would "suspend immigration from areas of the world when there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe, or our allies."

One of his closest friends [Thomas J. Barrack Jr.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Barrack_Jr.) spoke at the RNC on the last day. He is Lebanese.

Lets throw in all the misogyny stuff too?

His daughter runs his company. His sister is a US District Judge.

You have been sold such a story by the media and the campaign here.

> Trump promises a conservative SCOTUS nomination

So would any Republican, and by replacing Scalia, it will be the same situation as existed during the Obama years.

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> I'm confused. There's a large group of white males that feel left behind, and that's because of war, humanitarian crises and terrorism?

You see what happened here. You just injected this narrative of "left behind" as the primary reason for the election loss. I never mentioned anything about being "left behind". Again, you are listening to the media rationalise what happened, and they are the ones who brainwashed you in the first place. This narrative means the liberals are not wrong, its just a bunch of people feeling left behind and angry - just an emotional response to the liberals righteous path. This is very frustrating - but the Trump victory is so sweet, because now we don't have to care if they still can't understand it - it will keep them out of power for even longer.

> you vote _Trump_, who has the tendency to throw oil on the fire, to fix that?

Trump is anti-war. Clinton is pro-war. She advocates intervention. Confrontation with Russia. Trump says: "wouldn't it be great if we got along with Russia?".

Ask Wikileaks, they are extremely anti-war and they will tell you that Clinton is the danger here.

> a possibly rich businessman

Your words are dripping in vitriol. A "possibly" rich businessman. You might not realise it but everything you say is straight from the narrative that the media and DNC sold. Next is bringing up that he had 4 bankruptcies. Or that he is out of touch because he received a 1MM loan - which anyone could have turned into a billion dollars. I don't mean to offend here or anything.

> but I'm still trying to understand the issue

The issue is that you live in a liberal echo chamber. It is social suicide to openly support Trump. Even if you wanted to support some of his ideas, it would put you at risk of losing friends. I certainly didn't openly support Trump. The silent vote was real.

We are called racist, but no one is racist. We are called xenophobic, but all we are asking for is that the laws are upheld.

There is a progressive movement in this country that is taking shape on college campuses and will become mainstream some day, and they do not believe in the constitution or the laws of the land.

Where we see borders between countries that should be secured, they do not want the borders at all.

Where freedom of speech is the inalienable right, they are pushing a socialist agenda where everyone is equal no matter what the realistic implications of that are, and whether freedom of speech is trampled.

I believe they are wrong because they think with their hearts and don't for see the consequences of their actions.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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"Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism." Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. This is one thing even the center-left press were talking about. As for Thiel - $1M might seem like a lot - but Trump doesn't really 'owe' Thiel anything, because Thiel doesn't have direct future influence etc., and…

Since he never released his taxes we have no idea about his financial situation. We have no clear idea who he owns what to. After a string of business debacles his US financing sources all but dried up. He definitely owes money to Deutsche Bank. (It's going to be fun when he will have to negotiate their 14 billion fine.) It is likely that he owes money to Russian banks. He also owns real estate across the world. I wo…

The balance of financial and socio-political arrangements are an interesting topic. At what point is a debt large enough for the lender to exert influence over the borrower and what point it is so great that the lender is totally invested in the borrowers success?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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post #622

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> Let's hope _other_ people's freedoms aren't being taken away thanks to your vote, though. Such as? > I also don't see why you would Trump will actually listen to you. Because he says so? You trust what he says? I'm not talking about Trump listening. I'm talking about liberals listening to trump supporters trying to explain to them why they lost, and why they feel they are taking away freedom of speech. > I understa…

Do you not perceive the chanting of "crooked Hillary" and "lock that bitch up" to be examples of bullying and public shaming?

This is a public figure so there should be free reign.

"lock that bitch up" - Her gender is irrelevant to her corruption so it does not make sense for it to be here.

People are not chanting "lock that bitch up". They are chanting "lock her up".

"crooked Hillary" - She has been under active investigation for almost the entire campaign, and the Clintons have been their entire careers.

I don't see any problem with this. As long the same standard applies to both candidates.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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If we believe all the recently headlines about who he's bringing in it appears pure "pay to play". Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism. I'm not sure Trump realizes what worked best in business, or what he felt worked best for him in what business he has done, is not necessarily best for operating policy. I'm not sure he cares. I suspect he might tho…

> Dude looked humble-struck in the video today with Obama; almost worried about what he got himself into. I bet part of that was an emotion completely absent from Trump's public persona: shame. Trump started his political career circa 2010 as a "birther" -- going on national TV, asking for Obama's birth certificate, saying he was born in Kenya and therefore ineligible to hold office. Really racist, bottom-of-the-barr…

Trump didn't start his political career in 2010. He first considered running for president in the 1988 election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

This also isn't the first time he's run. He ran as a reform party candidate in 2000 when he campaigned on the issues of "fair trade, eliminating the national debt, and achieving universal healthcare" he also said he wanted Oprah to be his running mate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_camp...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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post #605

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> Let's hope _other_ people's freedoms aren't being taken away thanks to your vote, though. Such as? > I also don't see why you would Trump will actually listen to you. Because he says so? You trust what he says? I'm not talking about Trump listening. I'm talking about liberals listening to trump supporters trying to explain to them why they lost, and why they feel they are taking away freedom of speech. > I understa…

> but more than anything the biggest risk is the attacks on freedom of speech through the liberal's bullying, public shaming, and ad-hominem attacks. The latter strikes me as something that is an essential part of free speech. How would you address 'bullying, public shaming, and ad-hominem attacks' without also attacking free speech in the process? That's an honest question, by the way.

We would never try to ban any use of language. Its more like advice.

We say: "Stop calling everything racist and sexist that is not racist or sexist because you are missing the real underlying issues. We want everyone to be happy just like you do, but we think your method is flawed."

Then we win the election because you missed the point.

This is why you will find such exuberant Trump supporters. There are many tears of joy being shed on the Trump side because of this.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Would you be willing to articulate your argument for Trump here? I promise not to argue against you, and certainly not to slur you. Can't speak for anyone else, though. We now HAVE Trump coming in as US president, so frankly I'd welcome a bit of hope that he might be good. I can't promise to agree with you, but I'm very willing to listen to arguments from those who hold opposing positions to mine.

> I promise not to argue against you, and certainly not to slur you. Please argue! And thank you for not slurring :) > Would you be willing to articulate your argument for Trump here? I supported Obama. I always considered myself a liberal. I support gay marriage, I support gun control. I support universal health care. I support decent welfare and a safety net. As a programmer, the formative moment for my Trump suppo…

So you were worried that the repercussions for saying whatever you like may be too high, and in exchange you were willing to potentially sacrifice women's rights, minorities rights, lgbt+ rights, the environment, business regulations, and whatever else conservative Trump appointments might do?

If only the third-wave feminist bloggers, social justice warriors, black lives matters activists, etc, had kept their mouths shut! It's good they were shown there are repercussions to saying whatever you like.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not perceive the chanting of "crooked Hillary" and "lock that bitch up" to be examples of bullying and public shaming?

This is a public figure so there should be free reign. "lock that bitch up" - Her gender is irrelevant to her corruption so it does not make sense for it to be here. People are not chanting "lock that bitch up". They are chanting "lock her up". "crooked Hillary" - She has been under active investigation for almost the entire campaign, and the Clintons have been their entire careers. I don't see any problem with this.…

> She has been under active investigation for almost the entire campaign

Noting that it has all been Republican-driven and hasn't yet found a single thing in decades. But it is definitely an excellent "poison the well" tactic.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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> The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for someone who said that", "he is a monster", etc. It is "I don't want to listen". >> And what Trump said showed he's a liar, misogynist, tech illiterate, arrogant and overall a disgusting human being. And Clinton is not a liar, not a tech illiterate, not arrogant, and not disgusting human being? On misogyny - she has never attacked a woman's character be…

You can argue that a lot of people (Democrats included) didn't want to vote for Clinton either . By that argument you're justifying both candidates' character flaws by saying "Well, you know the other person is just as bad as my choice, so that makes it OK".

I wasn't agreeing with the claims against Trump. I think they are wrong. I was commenting on the fact that you can find arguments for all those claims for Clinton. Which cancels out the argument - and requires each claim to be taken by itself without supporting evidence and reasoned arguments.

The libs got to use to not having to back up their claims through a confirmation bias from their echo chamber.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…

> I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?

he was lying, which was obvious.
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