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China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Post by wastedhours »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #48
maxander wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite possible that most of the new inventions will be coming from China, and also most of China's scientific production will be rubbish. China has been great with scaling up its scientific community, but the problem of establishing an academic culture of scientific honesty is harder.

I'm a bit confused by this comment. Are you implying that "an academic culture of scientific honesty" is something the non-Chinese world has but China doesn't? I'll concede it's probably a matter of degree.

Especially on the front of medical trials, a recent Chinese government probe found 80% of data used was falsified [0]

[0] http://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/clinical-fakes-0927201...

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Post by Noseshine »

tn13 wrote: post #29
fooker wrote: post #20

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In a few decades, when most of the new inventions will start coming from China, this attitude is going to be very difficult to maintain.

True. We need to see China creating something that is not a copy first.

You should google the history of the phrase "Made in Germany" (I'm German by the way)

Quote (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany):

> The label was originally introduced in Britain by the Merchandise Marks Act 1887,[1] to mark foreign produce more obviously, as foreign manufactures had been falsely marking inferior goods with the marks of renowned British manufacturing companies and importing them into the United Kingdom. Most of these were found to be originating from Germany, whose government had introduced a protectionist policy to legally prohibit the import of goods in order to build up domestic industry (Merchandise Marks Act - Oxford University Press).[2]

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Post by afro88 »

soperj wrote: post #35
djsumdog wrote: post #4

Anyone remember that really old game Outpost? It ran on Windows 3.1; used a CD recording of The Planets as its soundtrack. That's the first time I've heard of Tokamak reactors. What these are trying to achieve is pretty amazing. I hope one day, one of these reactors will be able to sustain a greater output than input. It has the potential to move the planet into a completely different energy age. Imagine if we could…

You can play it right here: http://playdosgamesonline.com/outpost.html ctrl + f11 to slow it down.

Oh my lord I can play Syndicate in the browser. Bye bye productivity....

http://playdosgamesonline.com/syndicate.html

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Post by Godel_unicode »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22
duaneb wrote: post #16

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A default position of skepticism works in both cases.

Sure, we have to be careful about these things. Replication is key, which is where the Utah results fell down quickly. Not sure why I'm getting down votes on parent, but there it is.

I suspect it's your unequivocal use of the word "had". All we know for sure that they had was one unreplicatable experiment which has since been shown to be deeply flawed in both execution and observation.

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Post by Godel_unicode »

ww520 wrote: post #68
Kadin wrote: post #59

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Uh, the situations are not analogous. People.cn is the website of the [People's Daily][1], which is a longstanding, official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party. Not figuratively or in the sense of having a slant or something, but it's literally the Party's official newspaper. It's tempting to equate it to Voice of America, but even VoR is managed quite differently. There's not a direct equivalent in the US pres…

The US press has lost fair amount of credibility in this election cycle. Case in point, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCcRnvMPEU&feature=youtu.be

The journalists who cover science have lost credibility because of the journalists who cover politics? Why would you think those things are related?

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Post by ww520 »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #75
ww520 wrote: post #68

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The US press has lost fair amount of credibility in this election cycle. Case in point, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCcRnvMPEU&feature=youtu.be

The journalists who cover science have lost credibility because of the journalists who cover politics? Why would you think those things are related?

Isn't that the premise of the whole thread? Lumping all the reporting by its organization.

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Post by kriro »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #40
tn13 wrote: post #29

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True. We need to see China creating something that is not a copy first.

That's what they said about Japan in the 50s.

It's also the origin of "Made in Germany" which initially was supposed to warn British consumers against the simple copies from Germany...alas it has turned into more of a seal of quality later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany

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Post by Godel_unicode »

ww520 wrote: post #77
Godel_unicode wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The journalists who cover science have lost credibility because of the journalists who cover politics? Why would you think those things are related?

Isn't that the premise of the whole thread? Lumping all the reporting by its organization.

That's not what I've read above. It seems to me that some on this thread are saying they distrust science (and therefore science reporting) out of China because of the low quality of historical science and science journalism from China.

See the difference?

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Post by speleding »

fooker wrote: post #20
ars wrote: post #3

It's unfortunate that it's like this, but I automatically do not believe any scientific breakthroughs that come from China. There has simply been too much fraud for me to believe anything they say. http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinic...

In a few decades, when most of the new inventions will start coming from China, this attitude is going to be very difficult to maintain.

Perhaps, but catching up is easier than surpassing. We've seen the same with Japan where trajectories were set to overtake the West two decades ago (on science, economy, etc), but when they reached parity the progress slowed down considerably.
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