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Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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It's unfortunate that it's like this, but I automatically do not believe any scientific breakthroughs that come from China. There has simply been too much fraud for me to believe anything they say. http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinic...

In a few decades, when most of the new inventions will start coming from China, this attitude is going to be very difficult to maintain.

The track record of research results will define China's reputation.

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Doesn't fusion pose the ability to overcome our energy needs without threatening the environment? Also, if one nation were to gain exclusive access to fusion, wouldn't they have an extreme advantage?

Should we be doing a Manhattan project to get fusion powerplants?

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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It's unfortunate that it's like this, but I automatically do not believe any scientific breakthroughs that come from China. There has simply been too much fraud for me to believe anything they say. http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinic...

There was a reddit AMA in 2011 where a guy went to China and got stem cell treatments for his paralysis[1] and could walk now. Nobody on Reddit believed him. They basically spent the whole AMA trying to tell him it didn't happen. Then America did it 2016 and everyone was like "The Future is here and we did it first!"[2]. No, the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed, or maybe it's already happening somewhere in China.

1.https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k1hts/i_am_a_28yr_old...

2.https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2jvllq/a_cure_for_par...

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Doesn't fusion pose the ability to overcome our energy needs without threatening the environment? Also, if one nation were to gain exclusive access to fusion, wouldn't they have an extreme advantage? Should we be doing a Manhattan project to get fusion powerplants?

Building a wall is our first priority. /s

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Anyone remember that really old game Outpost? It ran on Windows 3.1; used a CD recording of The Planets as its soundtrack. That's the first time I've heard of Tokamak reactors. What these are trying to achieve is pretty amazing. I hope one day, one of these reactors will be able to sustain a greater output than input. It has the potential to move the planet into a completely different energy age. Imagine if we could…

You can play it right here:

http://playdosgamesonline.com/outpost.html

ctrl + f11 to slow it down.

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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It's unfortunate that it's like this, but I automatically do not believe any scientific breakthroughs that come from China. There has simply been too much fraud for me to believe anything they say. http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinic...

Utah had cold fusion, anyone remember that? Fusion research is tricky to evaluate (and false positive results are common).

You have to admit a bubble imploding and heating up to nearly 20,000C is pretty amazing even if it isn't fusion.

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Doesn't fusion pose the ability to overcome our energy needs without threatening the environment? Also, if one nation were to gain exclusive access to fusion, wouldn't they have an extreme advantage? Should we be doing a Manhattan project to get fusion powerplants?

Yes and no.

Yes it probably exempts us, in theory, from greenhouse gas related global warming. That said, energy generation isn't the only problem — energy transport is important too, and fossil fuels are still king (hard to have a tokamak in your car).

Even then we only have a few more doublings before we start reaching thermodynamic limits of our planet's ability to radiate heat into space.

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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It's unfortunate that it's like this, but I automatically do not believe any scientific breakthroughs that come from China. There has simply been too much fraud for me to believe anything they say. http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinic...

There was a reddit AMA in 2011 where a guy went to China and got stem cell treatments for his paralysis[1] and could walk now. Nobody on Reddit believed him. They basically spent the whole AMA trying to tell him it didn't happen. Then America did it 2016 and everyone was like "The Future is here and we did it first!"[2]. No, the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed, or maybe it's already happening…

Reminds me of the story of a young boxer from my gym. He eventually became very popular and gotten a World Kickboxing champion title. HE was very humble and trained at our gym all the time. There was this guy that challenged him few times over the span of his title and every time he endup KO the champion. So it was funny watching him being an undisputed champion on the TV, yet knowing he got beaten to KO few times by someone who hasn't been boxing professionally or did not make a career out of his box..

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Doesn't fusion pose the ability to overcome our energy needs without threatening the environment? Also, if one nation were to gain exclusive access to fusion, wouldn't they have an extreme advantage? Should we be doing a Manhattan project to get fusion powerplants?

>Should we be doing a Manhattan project to get fusion powerplants?

All the evidence I see is that politicians are primarily concerned with enriching themselves and the people who financially support them. The moment America's position as a global leader comes is when this will happen, as long as the scientific community calls for it as they did with the atomic bomb. Right now, it appears the right incentives are not in place for politicians to put this forward, even if it is the right thing to do for the welfare of humanity and the long-term success of the US as a global leader--the politicians who could make this happen probably believe they will be dead by the time it would matter to them.

Re: China’s ‘Artificial Sun’ achieves fusion breakthrough

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a few decades, when most of the new inventions will start coming from China, this attitude is going to be very difficult to maintain.

True. We need to see China creating something that is not a copy first.

That's what they said about Japan in the 50s.
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