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Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#122This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…
> I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. Wasn't Trump rallying against such crony corruption aka 'pay for play'?
Yes. He lied, as many on the left said he was. Here[0], there is talk Jamie Dimon was considered by his advisors for Treasury. To be fair, Dimon declined, but it shows that Trump at least surrounds himself with people who don't give two shits about his "helping the little man."
[0] http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/10/donald-trump-advisors-conside...
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#123What Paul may have failed to consider in taking his "tolerant, neutral" stance towards Thiel's activities is that, in politics, one absolutely is 100% guilty by association with the forces of darkness that one allows one's self to come into (sufficiently close) contact with. Or as that most prescient saying, variously attributed, goes: Qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent ("He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas").
On the other hand, if he's finding "heat" that he'll inevitably be taking, by ever-rising degrees, for his association with Thiel (and hence, Trump and everything he stands for) to be not to his liking -- it's still not too late to get out of the kitchen.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I disagree. Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate. When people are willing to believe in the Father of Lies, even after you show them recorded evidence, they are a lost cause. It is really hard to cure willful ignorance. Hillary has also lied, I admit it, but it is not even on the same league of Trump. The Democrats' fault (and m…
> Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? > The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that minds…
>>Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump?
Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. It is not politically correct to say it but it is true. I didn't think so before this but I know so now.
>>Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset.
That is a lie. A good chunk of the trump supporters are actually well off. [1]
[1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-...
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, you went Godwin. Trump isn't Hitler. That's election propaganda, not truth. Election's over. Time to put the election propaganda away. Now, you might still not like him. Heck, let me take a bold step and say you won't like him. He will do things you won't like. Welcome to the real world. My government's been doing things I don't like my entire life. (Along with all the things I do like.) But I rate the odds that…
> In the event that he really does turn into Hitler, I promise to stand up to stop him along with all the other people who will. Well, that's nice - although you just agreed to something you believe won't happen. I don't believe he will, either; but are you standing up to what his electorate is doing? http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/trump-voters-threatened-wome... Take it from someone who saw what Brexit did to the U…
"has implicitly given free reign to people with even more unpleasant views on those to do whatever they want and not fear repercussions because..."
And I believe that our country was already giving free reign to those with "unpleasant views". For instance, I don't think it's a coincidence that race relations have generally considered to be getting worse over the past several years: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/us/poll-shows-most-america... I'm a pragmatist. If people are all saying or doing the right things in the leadership but the race relations are getting worse, then clearly they are not saying or doing the right things.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The right thing". Tolerance means recognizing that people have different world views than your own. Sometimes the people you do business with have political opinions you don't agree with. The melodrama over Thiel's political opinions is pointless. If you demand Thiel steps down, are you personally just going to stop doing business with 49% of the country that voted differently? Personally I lean liberal, but I'm pre…
Tolerance means you aren't jailing people with different views than your own. Tolerance means you aren't out beating people up for having different views. Tolerance isn't about putting on a happy face and doing business with someone whose views you find odious. If people are no longer free to use words or social stigma to advance their views and opinion, because "tolerance," then what do we have left?
Tolerance is compassion. It means seeking the deeper truth beneath the words and actions, to understand the fundamental reasons.
It's true that few of us have the time and energy to dig through all the bullshit and achieve understanding of everyone we find abhorrent.
But where we are able to do so, we usually learn some important things about others and about ourselves - mostly, that when it comes down to it, we all just want to feel safe and loved.
True compassion is hard, but unless we can offer it to others, we can't expect it to be offered back to us.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
No he didn't. He suggested, correctly, that women getting the vote was bad for libertarians, because women vote against it. If you read the quote in context, that is very clearly what he's saying.
In context his suggestion is that women being allowed to vote is incompatible with enacting his ideal philosophy of government. Which in turn implies that the only way to implement his ideal philosophy of government would be to deny women the right to vote.
His ideal form of government is minimal enough that voting is superfluous. That you infer nefarious motive speaks not at all to what was actually implied.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, it's the same old "I have black friends, too".
Rubbish. He's saying voting doesn't necessarily result in good governance and policy, or the will of the people - regardless of the people doing it. He points out the financial crash in 2008 as a prime example of that. Would you agree or disagree with that notion?
He's saying women voting doesn't necessarily result in "good governance and policy", as determined by Thiel. You can do the substitution.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#129This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…
Shrewd seems unfair. Political views and ethics aside, it turns out he's a genius.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#130This was obvious from the RNC speech and further reinforced when Thiel donated $1M to Trump. A contrarian bet, sure, but $1M is a pretty small price to pay to have a 50/50 shot at CTO of the USA. I'm sure he'll see a very significant ROI on his $1M once the government starts awarding contracts very conveniently to companies of which he owns a portion. I had very negative feelings about Thiel, and those were magnified…
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