Earlier quoted context omitted.
Operating system doesn't matter much when the malware is in BIOS or firmware code.
>Operating system doesn't matter much when the malware is in BIOS or firmware code. Are you insinuating that was the case here? Source please, I'd be interested to read about that.
Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
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Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
While Macs have fantastic build quality, there are now premium-level PCs that are catching up to it. The new EliteBook Folio is a Core M-powered, Thunderbolt-containing replacement for the 12" MacBook (not Pro); the Razer series appear to be built just as well as Macs from my time with them hands-on as well. Personally, I don't care so much about "build quality" in terms of materials used. If the hardware works I'm h…
It may be fine, but the disk speeds on the latest Macs are amazing. There is no laptop that matches that I'm aware of.
Unless I'm missing something: Huh? Apple is just using regular NVMe/M.2 SSDs, nothing special about them. Lots of laptops have the option for M.2 NVMe SSDs, and most newer desktop motherboards have the slot for it.
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#103A more accurate description is that Linux isn't compatible with the new Macbook Pro. It's not Apple's job to make their laptop compatible with Linux.
Neither is any of the other manufacturers and yet, there is a public outcry if a notebook runs only the latest version of Windows. The real question is if Apple missed providing drivers or if it is deliberate.
It's really missing linux drivers, from what reading bugs tells me.
The keyboard and mouse are connected by SPI, etc.
These are not super-proprietary things,it's just that a bit more work than wanted in linux.
Linux also "lies" and claims to be Darwin, which causes the wrong ACPI thing to happen sometimes.
This is pretty common (ie linux used to claim to be windows sometimes, too), but in this case, it gets exactly the wrong answer.
(edit: Looks like mjg59 came along and gave a more detailed answer, you should lookat that)
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#104.....
The problem is that many people expect the hardware to be supported. I don't know why, but there is empirical proof they do.
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#105To be honest I'm not sure why you'd really want to do that. For a developer OS X gives you everything that linux offers that you would need, with the advantage of a better GUI. I only ever use linux on servers these days. OS X is a much more usable client-side OS for a variety of reasons.
It's not all about usability. Some people care about having community-controlled software instead of company-controlled software.
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Build quality. It's difficult to find a computer that matches the quality of a MacBook for fit and finish, trackpad quality, and battery life. I haven't used the new one, but the 2015 models were among the best hardware on the market - regardless of what OS was installed.
I really like ThinkPads. People keep claiming that build quality has gotten worse, but that doesn't match up with my impression and experience. The T and X series laptops are very well built. The screens aren't as nice as Apple's, and I can't comment on the touchpads (I exclusively use the TrackPoint), but overall they're great machines (and cheap, compared to MacBooks).
Spec-wise the screens are not as nice. In practice, for coding, I would much rather have the anti-glare matte screen of the kind that comes standard on Thinkpads.
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#107A more accurate description is that Linux isn't compatible with the new Macbook Pro. It's not Apple's job to make their laptop compatible with Linux.
Two things being compatible with each other is a symmetric relation, so the order doesn't matter.
When previous devices in a series were compatible, things are a little different.
When I upgraded my iPhone to iOS 8 (in 2014), it stopped connecting via bluetooth with my car (2011 Subaru, FWIW). Apple told me it was a Subaru problem. I reiterated that the problem was caused by my upgrading iOS, and that nothing changed in my car. They said to get a firmware upgrade for my car.
So incompatibility can be symmetric, but for people with an expectation based on prior compatibility, the party that whose update triggers the issue will be seen (fairly or not) as the cause.
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#108To be honest I'm not sure why you'd really want to do that. For a developer OS X gives you everything that linux offers that you would need, with the advantage of a better GUI. I only ever use linux on servers these days. OS X is a much more usable client-side OS for a variety of reasons.
What are those reasons apart from having a "better" ui? (Which is highly subjective and if you use a tiling wm Linux is probably the better choice). What turns me off OS X is the lack of a good package manager with up to date packages. Has this changed?
>What are those reasons apart from having a "better" ui? (Which is highly subjective and if you use a tiling wm Linux is probably the better choice).
- More commercial software available (photoshop, etc).
- OS X is required if you need to run xcode
- Easier to upgrade to the next version of the OS, without having to do a full reinstall
- Better binary compatibility. (Pretty minor issue).
>What turns me off OS X is the lack of a good package manager with up to date packages. Has this changed?
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Lenovo's malware scandal should certainly give you pause, but do note that it was only installed on its consumer laptops. Thinkpads were unaffected. And would not matter if you were installing Linux per this thread...
Operating system doesn't matter much when the malware is in BIOS or firmware code.
The 'malware' used a Windows misfeature that allows the BIOS to supply an executable that is run during startup. So the malware was in the firmware but only runs on Windows.
Re: Warning: 2016 MacBook Pro is not compatible with Linux
#110To be honest I'm not sure why you'd really want to do that. For a developer OS X gives you everything that linux offers that you would need, with the advantage of a better GUI. I only ever use linux on servers these days. OS X is a much more usable client-side OS for a variety of reasons.
It's not all about usability. Some people care about having community-controlled software instead of company-controlled software.
Perhaps, but I think for most devs that isn't the case (except perhaps on HN).