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Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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the elite mainstream media and the supposed-to-be-independent reporters are the biggest losers in this election, as they took sides so strongly that the other 50% will never bother to have anything to do with them. facebook needs improvement? sure, but more important, those biased media outlets will be irrelevant for most of the people due to not only technology advancement, but also what the news industry has been d…

Wikileaks?

Oh wait...

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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It seems to me the hardest part would be separating truthiness from virality. How do they seed legit sources in the current media climate of racing to the bottom for eyeballs.

Isn't this essentially the problem Google's been solving with continued iteration on PageRank? From an untrustworthy collection of input relationships, how do I produce the most reliably correct output?

No because popularity does not equal truth.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Agreed, much more difficult, but ultimately the same way we do so? We believe certain ideas to be facts (hopefully based on scientific sources), then we parse incoming information in light of those. I can't imagine an unprecedented breaking news story that has no basis in any factual information. I'm not talking about an upvoter here, but primarily a downvoter (incongruence with accepted facts being easier to prove t…

Sure, and that's the higher-order problem. If we could make machines that solve any problem the way we do, we'd be a lot closer to AGI, but for now, it's still science fiction for a computer to have beliefs, and understand information in the context of those beliefs.

I don't think ranking new information according to held beliefs is necessarily that far towards AGI (admittedly, strong NLP may be, though).

There's no fundamentally creative step in deciding "How well does this new piece of information match pieces I previously had"?

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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What if they added a flag button labelled "This post contains misinformation"? Then, if sufficient people click it, it is reviewed by a human editor.

Great, I can expect every New York Times and Fox News article to be flagged by people who didn't like it.

You'll notice I said that such articles would be reviewed by a human editor, which would prevent this type of abuse.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Telling people who aren't aligned to with the liberal intelligentsia to fuck off is exactly what got us in the current mess. Most people are reasonable, but when the reasonable and rational media ignores their issues, we leave the door open to demagogues and dictators. How else could a silver spoon like Donald Trump ever claim to represent the everyman?

>Telling people who aren't aligned to with the liberal intelligentsia to fuck off is exactly what got us in the current mess. I am so sick of this argument that Trump's victory is somehow the fault of bubble-trapped city-dwelling liberals for not understanding how the rest of the country thinks. Trump supporters are the ones who have either been manipulated to vote against their own interests; implicitly elected a Re…

Personally I blame it on the left's constant, ruthless beratement and demonization of Christian|white|rural|blue-collar|conservative people. I'm not surprised they pushed back after a decade of bullying in the name of tolerance.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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This is sort of starting to remind me of the Reticulum in Neal Stephenson's book Anathem. He talks about how they are constantly checking the reputation of data and only valuing high reputation sources. It's certainly hand wavy but interesting. Life imitating art imitating life.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Yes, trying to solve this problem by creating a definition of "misinformation" sufficiently precise to act on it for all possible articles, then trying to remove it somehow is probably an AI-complete problem. If it's not AI-complete it's probably just plain an ill-formed question. That's before we ask questions about the biases that get embedded into the misinformation detector. This can't be fixed at Facebook scales…

Facebook completely controls the presentation priority, no? Bolt a Watson-like truth scoring system on to evaluate content and use the resulting confidence to boost or bury content in other's feeds. It would absolutely have to be automatically generated, but it doesn't seem impossible (just much harder NLP that Watson playing Jeopardy).

This is basically impossible given the current and near future state of the art.

The Allen AI group has been working on solving year 4 multiple choice science tests for about 3 years. They now score a bit over 60% correct, and that is a much easier task.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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Yes, trying to solve this problem by creating a definition of "misinformation" sufficiently precise to act on it for all possible articles, then trying to remove it somehow is probably an AI-complete problem. If it's not AI-complete it's probably just plain an ill-formed question. That's before we ask questions about the biases that get embedded into the misinformation detector. This can't be fixed at Facebook scales…

This is a problem with human wetware - there are several cognitive biases [1][2][3][4] that make people engage more strongly with ideas that fit their preconceptions and discount ideas that don't. Add information-sharing to the mix and the aggregate effect you get is large information cascades that fracture the population into tribes that believe things not necessarily because they're true, but because they are state…

This is absolutely the right answer, but maybe Facebook can do some things to help. It's possible to gamify the process of learning to spot biases by presenting people with situations and getting them to think critically to solve the biases or fallacies. Especially on Facebook, people love filling out questionnaires that tell them something about themselves.

I'm not saying that one smart game is going to fix the entire problem, but adding the development of logic skills into the types of activities that people enjoy doing on Facebook is definitely possible.

Re: Facebook admits it must do more to stop the spread of misinformation

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This is a tough position for FB. No matter what they do, half of the the world will think the actions they take are wrong. Most humans are intelligent enough to know that stories like Hillary Clinton running a child sex ring (or whatever) are false. People choose to share these because they want to believe it or think it's funny. As they say in their mission statement "Facebook’s mission is to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected." it is a commendable mission but it's also a messy one. I think inevitably they will have to do something. Maybe some kind of "truth barometer" on stories that attain a certain volume of engagement. At least then they can say "look! we're trying" without taking away the people's right to troll. In this particular election though I doubt anything would have helped. The winner has been openly trolling for years, his direct actions set the standard for truthfulness much lower than ever before.
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