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Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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Yeah, I'd like to see some actual data. Some kind of scientific study, anything.

I don't say this because I'm a proponent of work-at-any-cost culture -- I'm not. I work about 45 hours a week, no weekends or nights outside of rare emergencies. That's certainly good for my mood and my relationship with my family and so forth.

But I see all these articles in which they suggest that after 40 hours a week, your productivity crashes or goes negative or whatever, and it strikes me as wishful thinking. The universe does not often line up to give us win-wins like this. My belief is that, probably, for at least a lot of people, if you spend a few years working super hard, you'll probably gain a lot of skill and be highly productive. Maybe if you keep that up for decades, accumulated stress will make it a net negative. Maybe some people have really low tolerance for stress and will much more rapidly turn to net negative.

But the idea that it is universally or near-universally true that everyone is more productive on a 40 hour week is at best under-argued, and, I'd guess, probably mostly untrue.

Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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You know what makes me the most productive? Working when I have the motivation to do so, I don't mean "I only want to work when I want".. But sometimes it'll be midnight, and you'll get that brainpower flowing for some reason (I tend to be a night owl)... Thankfully my position is flexible enough to then take the associated breaks the following day if I need to, or just go home if I'm not super productive (meetings p…

Flexibility like this is amazing for individuals who desire it. I'm in a similar position.

I'm not so sure it would work well if I had teammates that needed constant interaction.

Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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Yeah, I'd like to see some actual data. Some kind of scientific study, anything. I don't say this because I'm a proponent of work-at-any-cost culture -- I'm not. I work about 45 hours a week, no weekends or nights outside of rare emergencies. That's certainly good for my mood and my relationship with my family and so forth. But I see all these articles in which they suggest that after 40 hours a week, your productivi…

Completely agree. And the fact that the breaking point is a nice round 40, which just happens to correspond with our culture's 5-day work week and typical 8 hour day is a little too convenient to believe.

Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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Yeah, I'd like to see some actual data. Some kind of scientific study, anything. I don't say this because I'm a proponent of work-at-any-cost culture -- I'm not. I work about 45 hours a week, no weekends or nights outside of rare emergencies. That's certainly good for my mood and my relationship with my family and so forth. But I see all these articles in which they suggest that after 40 hours a week, your productivi…

It's anecdotally untrue. The most successful people I know work a lot of hours. I don't advocate it because I don't think it's healthy on a personal level but it's certainly an effective strategy to gain an advantage in the workplace and generally just get more stuff done.

Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

#16
My favorite work-life balance commentary comes from Darren Aronofsky's film Pi:

Sol Robeson

You remember Archimedes of Syracuse, eh? The king asks Archimedes to determine if a present he's received is actually solid gold. Unsolved problem at the time.

It tortures the great Greek mathematician for weeks. Insomnia haunts him and he twists and turns in his bed for nights on end.

Finally, his equally exhausted wife... she's forced to share a bed with this genius... convinces him to take a bath to relax.

While he's entering the tub, Archimedes notices the bath water rise. Displacement, a way to determine volume, and that's a way to determine density... weight over volume.

And thus, Archimedes solves the problem. He screams "Eureka!" and he is so overwhelmed he runs dripping naked through the streets to the king's palace to report his discovery.

Now, what is the moral of the story?

Maximillian Cohen

That a breakthrough will come.

Sol Robeson

Wrong! The point of the story is the wife. You listen to your wife, she will give you perspective. Meaning, you need a break, you have to take a bath or you will get nowhere. There will be no order, only chaos.

Go home, Max... and you take a bath.

Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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Yeah, I'd like to see some actual data. Some kind of scientific study, anything. I don't say this because I'm a proponent of work-at-any-cost culture -- I'm not. I work about 45 hours a week, no weekends or nights outside of rare emergencies. That's certainly good for my mood and my relationship with my family and so forth. But I see all these articles in which they suggest that after 40 hours a week, your productivi…

> But I see all these articles in which they suggest that after 40 hours a week, your productivity crashes or goes negative or whatever, and it strikes me as wishful thinking.

This is extremely activity dependent I think.

Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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post #14

Yeah, I'd like to see some actual data. Some kind of scientific study, anything. I don't say this because I'm a proponent of work-at-any-cost culture -- I'm not. I work about 45 hours a week, no weekends or nights outside of rare emergencies. That's certainly good for my mood and my relationship with my family and so forth. But I see all these articles in which they suggest that after 40 hours a week, your productivi…

Completely agree. And the fact that the breaking point is a nice round 40, which just happens to correspond with our culture's 5-day work week and typical 8 hour day is a little too convenient to believe.

The standard argument is that it is the other way around -- we've settled on a 8x5 scheme _because_ our breaking point is around 40 hours. However, like others in this thread, I'm not sure I agree.

Re: Work/Life Balance Will Make You a Better Software Engineer

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post #15

Yeah, I'd like to see some actual data. Some kind of scientific study, anything. I don't say this because I'm a proponent of work-at-any-cost culture -- I'm not. I work about 45 hours a week, no weekends or nights outside of rare emergencies. That's certainly good for my mood and my relationship with my family and so forth. But I see all these articles in which they suggest that after 40 hours a week, your productivi…

It's anecdotally untrue. The most successful people I know work a lot of hours. I don't advocate it because I don't think it's healthy on a personal level but it's certainly an effective strategy to gain an advantage in the workplace and generally just get more stuff done.

Then the issue is with your definition of successful. If you only main for professional success, indeed, working more hours will put you at advantage.

But having been with already some people on their last days of life, I don't remember any of them regretting of not having spend more time working, but always of having had more time with family and friends.

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