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Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by maratd »

wskinner wrote: post #20
woodchuck64 wrote: post #15

Not just the left and right's echo-chambers, but those who attempt to actually listen to reality got it wrong, too: FiveThirtyEight for example has been using proven, reality-based statistics for a while and should have predicted this result. (As it was, Silver was lambasted for being too generous on Trump's chances.) At issue in this election is apparently a new idea: people who hold positions that are being publica…

Not really a new idea. This effect is called preference falsification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preference_falsification For those who don't want to follow the link: "individuals convey preferences that differ from what they genuinely want"

No, the idea of being persecuted for what you believe and then in turn, lying in public about it is not a new idea.

It doesn't need a Wikipedia article nor a term for it. It has been around since the beginning of time.

What is new is that this sort of environment is taking hold in the US, which is unfortunate. And this forum is as guilty as any other. People lambasted Peter Thiel for speaking his mind and voting his wallet. They demanded his head and spoke of repercussions.

That's what you get when you behave that way. When people are threatened when they speak out, they just wont speak in public, but it doesn't change what they believe. Our society is worse off for silencing their voices.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by herbst »

istorical wrote: post #102
herbst wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is really strange to me honestly. From what i can tell (i avoid facebook as much as possbile) "News" on my feed are mostly just uplifting news style. Everything relevant and political has no place on facebook within my environment. And i dont consider myself sheltered.

Many people use it as a link-sharing medium like others use Twitter.

"we" do that too, just not for these kind of news.

Everytime i see some of the hardliners posting something political it will be completely ignored, or at max liked by some other hardliners.

If someone posts a article about vegan or animal rights or shit, thats the kind of stuff that goes viral in my circles.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by herbst »

renaudg wrote: post #109
herbst wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry if this does not fit with your world view. In my environment facebook is some social media platform, with a few uplifting news but mostly irrelevant personal stuff. As anyone i am "friends" with way to many people without a specific genre, so i dont think my feed is special in that regard. There is barely political or relevant stuff on my feed, and as said i never heard anyone say "did you read _that_ on f…

It's definitely not just my world view. According to some studies, 62% of Americans are said to use FB as their primary news source ( https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/62-people-now-use-facebook-pr... ) So it's not unreasonable to say you're inside a really special bubble, if you've never heard anyone using Facebook as a news source.

As mention, but i am glad to do it again. I AM NOT AMERICAN

Edit:// To further clearify: Nether are any of my facebook friends, nether have i ever been there or plan to. I have no relation with the U.S. i was just making the point that Facebook might simply is not the right place to find information.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by sickbeard »

75j wrote: post #96
sickbeard wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks but you're wrong. Maybe SJW is a trigger word for you but it was just a general description of the divide shown in the US election. The people living outside of the cities obviously rejected things being shoved down their throats. For the record I liked Hillary, but I wouldn't be surprised if she lost against a frog.. let alone trump.

What does SJW mean to you? Just someone who cares about social issues, or someone who only pretends to care for self-serving purposes? Or something else? I really dislike that term, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what exactly people mean by it.

I don't find that term offensive at all. To me it it means you believe in something and you're going to stand up for it.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by gdulli »

downandout wrote: post #83
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #6

> On Facebook, a Trump victory was likely, or a Clinton win was all but assured. And if you were watching the election coverage the night of you could very discernibly see the change in the commentators narrative from "yay! Clinton!" to the shock of "Wait, Trump?" to "Those dirty rednecks! (er ... uneducated white folk)" as their reality was changing before them. It wasn't JUST Facebook.

Tom Brokaw was especially insulting to the half of the country that voted for Trump. After several comments about uneducated rednecks causing the downfall of our nation, he summed it up this way: "This election was much more about ‘Duck Dynasty’ than ‘Saturday Night Live’." Hell hath no fury like an elite liberal scorned.

That Trump won in large part due to disproportionate support from voters without a college degree is a plain fact worth being reported. Reading insult into it is discretionary.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by gipp »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #92

I find it funny that those who vouched for free speech have been trashing Trump's supporters all this election, too much talk for free speech eh?

I'm not sure what you're talking about? Free speech is about legality of speech; nobody's talked about locking anyone up for supporting a candidate.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by zzalpha »

sickbeard wrote: post #114
75j wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does SJW mean to you? Just someone who cares about social issues, or someone who only pretends to care for self-serving purposes? Or something else? I really dislike that term, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what exactly people mean by it.

I don't find that term offensive at all. To me it it means you believe in something and you're going to stand up for it.

Please.

Let's all admit SJW has a clear, negative connotation. I mean, geez, it has a Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior

is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views,[1] including feminism,[1][2] civil rights,[1] multiculturalism,[1] and identity politics.

Are you really going to claim that you weren't aware of this when you threw that term out there?

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by pmoriarty »

Alex3917 wrote: post #32

The biggest problem with our country isn't the people who voted for Trump, it's the people who are surprised that he won. For what it's worth, here is an email conversation about this that I submitted to HN before the election: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/e1rtmBSJR16mkcCRlqmWwQ/lifehac...

If you were cynical, you would have predicted that the United States, a country full of racists and bigots, would never elect a black man for President. But they did: twice.

There were good reasons to predict that George W Bush, an embarrassing, arrogant, stupid buffoon who got the country in to two disastrous wars and failed to prevent 9/11, who had massive protests against him from all over the country would not get elected for a second term. But he did (arguably with the help of voting fraud, but regardless of how he got there, he still served a second term).

Many were surprised when an actor, Ronald Reagan, was elected as President. Another actor was elected Governor of California, and arguably may have become President had he been born in the US. A wrestler became Governor of Minnesota.

Most analysts, and even American intelligence agencies, were shocked by the swift downfall of the Soviet Union.

In the 1960's, when Segregation was in full swing, many could not imagine that it would ever end. They thought, as the song goes, "That's just the way it is. Some things will never change". But it did end, and in relatively short order. Some argue the US is still not fully desegregated, but in many important ways it is.

For my part, when Bush Jr managed to get a second term in office, I stopped trying to predict the political future. So now I'm no longer surprised. Any idiot or asshole can get elected President in the US, and anything, no matter how unlikely, can happen.

It reminds me of when the Yippies nominated a pig for President.[1] They did it as a joke, but the US has been headed in that direction ever since.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigasus_%28politics%29

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by jbondeson »

zzalpha wrote: post #103
jbondeson wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be, but personally I'm done with being silent and just chuckling silently to myself or rolling my eyes when people pull out these infotainment zingers disguised as "insight". The last year has ripped covers off the culture war that the US has been slowly boiling in like a frog. BLM and Trump aren't one offs, there are tons of people with serious gripes in this country, and for myself I'd rather call out the BS…

Could be, but personally I'm done with being silent and just chuckling silently to myself or rolling my eyes when people pull out these infotainment zingers disguised as "insight". I agree. Throwing a derogatory zinger out there like "SJW" (which is unquestionably a dog whistle... anyone who would claim otherwise is being dishonest) does nothing to enhance public discourse, and it's about time we all worked to recogn…

It's not just that, it's also the people who want to trot out "hur hur hur, only uneducated people voted for Trump"

I'm just so sick of all the navel gazing going on between the Bernie or Bust'ers, the Establishment Dems, the NeverTrumps, the Pro-Trumps, the Libertarians, and on and on and on.

Every last one of them is pushing some absurdly reductionist hot take argument in their bubbles and papering over the real issues plaguing people.

Re: The Facebook bubble just popped

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Post by devonharvey »

webkike wrote: post #37
overcast wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buahahahahaha, media outlets report news WITHOUT opinion? Welcome to Earth, outsider.

Besides the obvious empirical weight of your condescending dismissal I have yet to see any evidence that states it is impossible to report the news without an opinion. In fact, if you open the NYT you will find it divided into sections on opinion and factual news. Give me some evidence of main stream media reporting opinion with news. Give me a non-opinion piece newspaper article that has opinion.

You should check out Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky. It's a classic book on this topic.
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