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Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

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Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's disagreeing with you? I'm lost as to what you're responding to.

"the study in question made efforts to address these considerations" I'd argue that they didn't make enough efforts.

Are you assuming that or did you look at the research paper?

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#102
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to take away from scouts, but I feel like this study could apply to any group that a child decides to stick with and learn from. Sports teach resilience and the like, as well does joining a music group. My club soccer team during high school was unbeaten for most seasons and ended up state champions, but most of us didn't hangout afterwards or even like each other.

Yeah, except if you are being bullied and nobody steps in to stop it.

Are you saying that doesn't happen in Scouts? Because that happens in Scouts.

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#103
I spent a lot of time in Scouts learning close order drill, indoors. Seriously. Not much use, although definitely true to the "muscular Christianity" that gave rise to Scouting. However, I spent plenty of time in the woods when I didn't have to go to Scouts in the indoor community hall, so that was good. The Hitler Youth movement was modeled after the Scouts, so it would be interesting to see a study there...

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

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post #44

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Definitely, even if you hate them you have to work with the rest of your patrol and make your situation as good as possible, whether that be by stringing up tarps, building tripods to hang your stuff on, making an axe yard, or caring for Mike who is having yet another asthma attack/seizure/hypothermia/etc. I was lucky enough to be in a large, non-religous troop that happened to have a bus & be very well organized (4…

As a former SM, the goals (Aims) of Scouting do not include getting young men to the rank of Eagle. The aims of Scouting are: Character development Citizenship training Physical fitness The methods used to achieve these aims: http://www.nesa.org/methods.html Learning to live with others is one of the things achieved via the patrol method. This tends to develop citizenship.

Bear in mind that this was a study of those participating in U.K. Scouting which is different in many respects to the American organisation

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#105
Reminds me of a great Rachel Carson quote:

“A child’s world is fresh and new and beautiful, full or wonder and excitement. It is our misfortune that for most of us that clear-eyed vision, that true instinct for what is beautiful and awe-inspiring, is dimmed and even lost before we reach adulthood. If I had influence with the good fairy who is supposed to preside over the christening of all children, I should ask that her gift to each child in the world be a sense of wonder so indestructible that it would last throughout life, as an unfailing antidote against the boredom and disenchantment of later year…the alienation from the sources of our strength.” ― Rachel Carson, The Sense of Wonder

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#106
post #85

correlation != causation.

I dunno why you're getting down voted as this is a clear point to make. A fun game I like to play when I read these sorts of things in the news is to reverse the causation implied by what I'm reading. Often times it make more sense. In this case: Those with better mental health are more likely to do Scouts and guides in their youth.

How is this any better than the original hypothesis and conclusion?

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#107
Reminds me of a great Rachel Carson quote:

“A child’s world is fresh and new and beautiful, full or wonder and excitement. It is our misfortune that for most of us that clear-eyed vision, that true instinct for what is beautiful and awe-inspiring, is dimmed and even lost before we reach adulthood. If I had influence with the good fairy who is supposed to preside over the christening of all children, I should ask that her gift to each child in the world be a sense of wonder so indestructible that it would last throughout life, as an unfailing antidote against the boredom and disenchantment of later year…the alienation from the sources of our strength.” ― Rachel Carson, The Sense of Wonder

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#108
post #85

correlation != causation.

I dunno why you're getting down voted as this is a clear point to make. A fun game I like to play when I read these sorts of things in the news is to reverse the causation implied by what I'm reading. Often times it make more sense. In this case: Those with better mental health are more likely to do Scouts and guides in their youth.

He's getting downvoted because he's short quip is not a useful addition to the discussion.

If you already know that correlation != causation, then his quip is useless. If you don't, then those two words are also useless to you.

Either way it's a useless post and if he can't be bothered to explain more, then don't bother making the post.

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#109

I was in scouts and cadets here in New Zealand when I was a teenager and continue to spend a fair amount of time in the outdoors (I also did Outward Bound when I was 16), and I can definitely relate to the researcher's findings. When you're 2 days walk from civilisation, it's pissing down with rain, and you're cold, wet, hungry, and tired, you get a different perspective on life and the "soft" challenges that you fac…

> I've never served in the military, but from the people I know that have, they pretty much learn to take the same attitude.

The phrase used in the US military for this is "Embrace the suck". Which means "The situation is bad, but deal with it."

Re: Scouts and guides provide ‘mental health boost for life’

#110
As someone who came from a single parent family of two boys... I am 40, I have had depression for much of my life. We didn't have much money when I was growing up. I was in the scouts and did the Duke of Edinburgh Award. The single biggest lessons I learned from both are:

1. When you have nothing left to give, sometimes will power and discipline are the only things left in your toolbox that will get you where you need to go.

2. Self reliance - as someone noted earlier in the thread about a cyclist "there is only one way home." It also gave me the skills and a sense of confidence in my ability to survive without any of the trappings of city life. If shit falls to pieces, as having depression has proven to me it can and has and could again, I know I'll survive, regardless of anything - because I have the skills, the will power and discipline to survive the worst.

So... I have a sample size of one that goes against the grain of this research. Of course, being 15% less likely doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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