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Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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I have a new theory about life that hasn't let me down yet. It's a variant on Occam's Razor that I call Zoschke's Razor: The most boring explanation is usually the correct one. Let me apply it here... -- Gray has talked to his supervisors, and his job is secure because he's the same talented engineer today as he was last week. Gray's career options are unaffected by this because who wouldn't want to hire an iPhone en…

Awesome analysis -- agree with most of it.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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Tragically, our civilization has lost the capacity to forgive and forget, and the target doesn't qualify for witness protection, so further damaging his career is no longer possible. After Apple, he's going to have to go smith for the Amish or something.

This is not a career-ending mistake. He should be just fine.

With lazy HR people using Google, it is a huge problem. I wish him well, and hope he has good people around him.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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Except for that other iPhone prototype guy who lost an iPhone and either committed suicide after "intense interrogation", or was killed: http://gizmodo.com/5319275/report-iphone-leak-interrogations... http://www.fakesteve.net/2009/07/im-really-thinking-maybe-i-... So, yeah, losing an iPhone prototype is really, like, boring.

I think the cultural differences are important here: not only the fact that the Foxconn employee had fewer options (whereas Gray Powell can be easily employed tomorrow at a competitor), but also that US companies are far less forgiving of errors by a vendor, especially a foreign vendor. I've heard people hurl abuse at Indian call center employees that they wouldn't dream of saying to a colleague in Palo Alto.

I don't think the guy was killed by Steve force-choking him, or whatever. If he was killed, it was Foxconn's doing. They would have been terrified of losing future business from Apple, so they might have wanted to set an unequivocal example for other employees who might have been thinking about mishandling Apple's IP.

Personally it seems a bit over the top to accuse Foxconn or Apple of killing anyone.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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If it were anyone else, I would agree. But Steve Wozniak being who he is, I think it's a signal of 'all's well that ends well.'

I'm really picking up an undercurrent of "Steve Wozniak being who he is in relation to Apple, this joke probably means that Apple has gotten over it". I don't see the evidence to back that argument up.

Surely that's the surface rathrr than the subtext of my commemt :) But yeah, it is only a qualified guess on my part, as Wozniak is not known for vindictive behavior.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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post #59

I have a new theory about life that hasn't let me down yet. It's a variant on Occam's Razor that I call Zoschke's Razor: The most boring explanation is usually the correct one. Let me apply it here... -- Gray has talked to his supervisors, and his job is secure because he's the same talented engineer today as he was last week. Gray's career options are unaffected by this because who wouldn't want to hire an iPhone en…

I completely agree. Apple lost almost nothing (1 phone) and got millions of dollars in free PR. My understanding is this was covered on a variety of comedy shows, all the morning shows, all over the Internet from tech sites to mainstream news sites. All over the world. They should give Mr. Powell a bonus. He actually managed to eclipse Apple's normal media hype frenzy with what is, basically, a very positive story. (there's going to be a new iPhone and it's so amazingly great people are trying to steal it before we can even release it! In 2 months you can buy one too!)

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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post #59

I have a new theory about life that hasn't let me down yet. It's a variant on Occam's Razor that I call Zoschke's Razor: The most boring explanation is usually the correct one. Let me apply it here... -- Gray has talked to his supervisors, and his job is secure because he's the same talented engineer today as he was last week. Gray's career options are unaffected by this because who wouldn't want to hire an iPhone en…

I completely agree. Apple lost almost nothing (1 phone) and got millions of dollars in free PR. My understanding is this was covered on a variety of comedy shows, all the morning shows, all over the Internet from tech sites to mainstream news sites. All over the world. They should give Mr. Powell a bonus. He actually managed to eclipse Apple's normal media hype frenzy with what is, basically, a very positive story. (…

But what did they lose in sales to people who are now holding out for a 4G? Thats the primary reason Apple is so secrative. I also very much doubt this story eclipsed a normal Apple media buy in terms of exposure.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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I completely agree. Apple lost almost nothing (1 phone) and got millions of dollars in free PR. My understanding is this was covered on a variety of comedy shows, all the morning shows, all over the Internet from tech sites to mainstream news sites. All over the world. They should give Mr. Powell a bonus. He actually managed to eclipse Apple's normal media hype frenzy with what is, basically, a very positive story. (…

But what did they lose in sales to people who are now holding out for a 4G? Thats the primary reason Apple is so secrative. I also very much doubt this story eclipsed a normal Apple media buy in terms of exposure.

Exactly, someone who gets it. Apple may have lost millions of dollars because of this release. It is so hard tell the loss due to this. It certainly makes Apple security methods seem inept. Leaks are something Apple control very precisely, this is a huge slap in the face to they way they normally do things.

I could not believe it if this guy was not fired. It would appear to be a huge slackening of Apples usual style.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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post #59

I have a new theory about life that hasn't let me down yet. It's a variant on Occam's Razor that I call Zoschke's Razor: The most boring explanation is usually the correct one. Let me apply it here... -- Gray has talked to his supervisors, and his job is secure because he's the same talented engineer today as he was last week. Gray's career options are unaffected by this because who wouldn't want to hire an iPhone en…

    Zoschke's Razor:
    
    The most boring explanation is usually the correct one.
I'm kinda hoping somebody makes a 'demotivational poster' out of that.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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post #79

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I think the cultural differences are important here: not only the fact that the Foxconn employee had fewer options (whereas Gray Powell can be easily employed tomorrow at a competitor), but also that US companies are far less forgiving of errors by a vendor, especially a foreign vendor. I've heard people hurl abuse at Indian call center employees that they wouldn't dream of saying to a colleague in Palo Alto.

I don't think the guy was killed by Steve force-choking him, or whatever. If he was killed, it was Foxconn's doing. They would have been terrified of losing future business from Apple, so they might have wanted to set an unequivocal example for other employees who might have been thinking about mishandling Apple's IP. Personally it seems a bit over the top to accuse Foxconn or Apple of killing anyone.

I'm not sure where I accused anyone of killing anyone else... my point was that if someone screws up royally, and you yell at them and tell them they are a worthless piece of shit at a time when they need support and forgiveness, they are more likely to commit suicide.

Re: Steve Wozniak has a little bit of fun at Gray Powell’s expense

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post #59

I have a new theory about life that hasn't let me down yet. It's a variant on Occam's Razor that I call Zoschke's Razor: The most boring explanation is usually the correct one. Let me apply it here... -- Gray has talked to his supervisors, and his job is secure because he's the same talented engineer today as he was last week. Gray's career options are unaffected by this because who wouldn't want to hire an iPhone en…

Pulp Fiction? At least one person is known to have died for losing iPhone prototype. Not sure if he was quoted a passage from Bible prior to asphalt-diving.

Point is, don't rely on your rule too much.

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