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Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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> But Trump's promise to block the merger won't necessarily be fulfilled. Cop-out in the subtitle followed by thirty paragraphs of navel gazing.

My wife and I were discussing issues like this tonight. We spoke about the fact that when most politicians make promises, you can point to specific votes or speeches during non campaign times to say "Yes, it seems like he/she is really against this." With Trump though, we have no comparison, he's never served any office before. The only thing we have is campaign promises and they mean so little. So journalists probab…

Maybe, and this is a radical thought, journalists (as opposed to pundits) should wait for actual facts to emerge before branding somebody one way or another?

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

#82
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My wife and I were discussing issues like this tonight. We spoke about the fact that when most politicians make promises, you can point to specific votes or speeches during non campaign times to say "Yes, it seems like he/she is really against this." With Trump though, we have no comparison, he's never served any office before. The only thing we have is campaign promises and they mean so little. So journalists probab…

Maybe, and this is a radical thought, journalists (as opposed to pundits) should wait for actual facts to emerge before branding somebody one way or another?

I understand what you're saying. There is an aspect of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" here, though, I think. In waiting, they're open to accusations of not reporting or paying attention to a candidate, whether or not the accusation is fair.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

#83
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I'm not even pro trump, it's just an observation of overt bias.

speaking of observations of overt bias, i've noticed that any time i question what i see as overt male chauvinism here i get downvoted without any explanation. i even got hellbanned once about it. this is only something i run into here, but the only other place i really comment is jezebel.

I've felt the same thing about the comments here. It has led me to stop trying to discuss any issues related to gender and avoid HN more on the whole.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Could you explain your thoughts on how those two ideas are necessarily inconsistent with each other?

Well, one is removing a thing, and the other is adding the same thing. QED _inconsistent_.

Same class of thing, sure. But definitely not the same thing...

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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I have serious doubts. I think the one thing that this election has proven is that fact-checking is dead. PolitiFact rated 70% of Trump's reviewed statements as at least "mostly false" and there were basically zero consequences. The next election cycle is going to be brutal.

> there were basically zero consequences 50%+ of the country voted against him. It's up to us hold his feet to the fire and wake up the other 50%.

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Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

#86
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Maybe, and this is a radical thought, journalists (as opposed to pundits) should wait for actual facts to emerge before branding somebody one way or another?

I understand what you're saying. There is an aspect of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" here, though, I think. In waiting, they're open to accusations of not reporting or paying attention to a candidate, whether or not the accusation is fair.

It is perfectly possible to report on what Trump proposes and says and does without becoming a mind reader and fortune teller. You can - and actually very much should! - still report on his lies by giving facts disproving him, or mention e.g. scientific consensus or lack thereof questioning or substantiating his claims, or contrast the opinions Trump holds by also reporting on the opinions his opponents hold.

You can write opt-ed pieces and be a pundit for a while if you think your own opinion might interest your readers too.

But mixing reporting with fact-free punditry and a heap of general virtue signaling in the same article is just detrimental to ones journalistic reputation and will immediately alienate everybody outside of your own echo chamber.

You researched facts why Trump's immigration policies are bad? People stopped reading after the initial "Trump is such a racist!" paragraph.

You researched facts why Clinton's Libya policies backfired? People stopped reading after the initial "Hillary is so crooked!" paragraph.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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I think, despite political affiliation, it's our obligation to hold him to the promises we believe in and galvanize his fired-up base to do so as well. I voted for Clinton and volunteered for the campaign, but I'll gladly push him to keep his word on this promise and the others that I believe will benefit our country.

I'm desperately hoping he breaks 90% of his promises. A media merger is the absolute least of our concerns when he's promised to end net neutrality and force companies to give up encryption keys.

> he's promised to end net neutrality

That's bad

> force companies to give up encryption keys.

They already did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

#88
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Either that, or he'll just break his promise and let it go through.

Bingo. Promises, for Trump, are fulfilled upon announcement, and then forgotten. The examples are legion.

Honestly what else is new? I voted for Obama on pledges he'd end the war in Iraq and close down the constitutional abomination that is Guantanamo. 8 years later and here we are.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Concur wholeheartedly. Just not very optimistic. But who knows?

If he doesn't keep his word we'll have ammo to oust him in 4 years, perhaps impeach him sooner, perhaps revise congress in 2 years. Otherwise, we get the change we want.

I think he knows that his voters don't care about privacy, telco mergers and stuff like that.

Where he needs to deliver is: the wall ( not literally though) making us more powerful in military and maybe a bit protectionism for US firms. And remove obamacare.

Thats it.

For the rest not done he will blame the other ( parties) not patriotic enough.

He would make America great again!

But you know! Those damn commies!

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

#90
post #82

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I understand what you're saying. There is an aspect of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" here, though, I think. In waiting, they're open to accusations of not reporting or paying attention to a candidate, whether or not the accusation is fair.

It is perfectly possible to report on what Trump proposes and says and does without becoming a mind reader and fortune teller. You can - and actually very much should! - still report on his lies by giving facts disproving him, or mention e.g. scientific consensus or lack thereof questioning or substantiating his claims, or contrast the opinions Trump holds by also reporting on the opinions his opponents hold. You can…

Agreed.
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