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Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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The free version has all the paid features now. I asked the authors on Twitter about this, they said they will be releasing related products soon that will cover their revenue stream.

And of course they'll grandfather in the people who paid for the now free product less than 6 months ago, right?

You'll have to ask them that. I got a pretty quick response on twitter, or there was a rep in this thread earlier

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Well, I'm excited by the potential of having something better than Virtualbox available for free. I tried converting a linux vm I frequently use via vagrant just now, and it seems to work well except for network bridging: You can't bridge over wifi. Kindof a deal-breaker. The relevant page[1] explains it thus: "Due to features of wireless protocol, level 2 bridges don’t work over Wi-Fi, and so you can’t use wireless…

better than Virtualbox

Just take a look at VBoxManage --help for a crazy list of settings and features that VBox has accumulated during the past ~10 years.

It even supports ATA TRIM so your fs-driver can discard blocks and keep the VDI-file deflated at all times.

Performance-wise: Compiling stuff within VBox on an i7 quad-core (-j5) is almost as fast as native. X on Linux-VMs feels native too, especially when running in fullscreen.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

#73

Well, I'm excited by the potential of having something better than Virtualbox available for free. I tried converting a linux vm I frequently use via vagrant just now, and it seems to work well except for network bridging: You can't bridge over wifi. Kindof a deal-breaker. The relevant page[1] explains it thus: "Due to features of wireless protocol, level 2 bridges don’t work over Wi-Fi, and so you can’t use wireless…

I just ran into this same issue (bridging over Wi-Fi) last night when setting up KVM on a laptop (running Ubuntu 16.04).

Apparently, this can be worked around using a TAP/TUN device but I haven't tried it yet. Perhaps a similar workaround is feasible on OS X/macOS.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

#74

Well, I'm excited by the potential of having something better than Virtualbox available for free. I tried converting a linux vm I frequently use via vagrant just now, and it seems to work well except for network bridging: You can't bridge over wifi. Kindof a deal-breaker. The relevant page[1] explains it thus: "Due to features of wireless protocol, level 2 bridges don’t work over Wi-Fi, and so you can’t use wireless…

better than Virtualbox Just take a look at VBoxManage --help for a crazy list of settings and features that VBox has accumulated during the past ~10 years. It even supports ATA TRIM so your fs-driver can discard blocks and keep the VDI-file deflated at all times. Performance-wise: Compiling stuff within VBox on an i7 quad-core (-j5) is almost as fast as native. X on Linux-VMs feels native too, especially when running…

Out of curiosity, have you tried anything other than VirtualBox (e.g. VMware Fusion)?

I was happy with VirtualBox's (on OS X) performance until I bought VMware Fusion. I didn't do any benchmarks so I don't have numbers to back up my claim but it definitely "felt" much faster than VirtualBox.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

VMware Fusion isn't discontinued. I might be wrong, but wasn't the last update in September? And you can still buy it from VMware.

The only updates I remember since I last bought Fusion (just over a year ago, not long before their announcement) was a security update (I think that was the one in September you refer to) and perhaps a small point release or two.

I'm not really expecting any awesome new features, just bug fixes mostly.

As I move (mostly) back to Linux on the desktop, I'd really like to use VMware but I can't rationalize $249 for a product that is quite possible "end of life" (for all practical purposes).

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

I see Parallels isn't in that list of software. Is there a reason you don't use it?

Not OP but I, personally, stopped using Fusion because of the constant annoying advertisements. I could understand if it were free but I paid a non-trivial amount for it out-of-pocket.

I can't complain about Parallels' performance. I was satisfied with it in that regard.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

#77

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better than Virtualbox Just take a look at VBoxManage --help for a crazy list of settings and features that VBox has accumulated during the past ~10 years. It even supports ATA TRIM so your fs-driver can discard blocks and keep the VDI-file deflated at all times. Performance-wise: Compiling stuff within VBox on an i7 quad-core (-j5) is almost as fast as native. X on Linux-VMs feels native too, especially when running…

Out of curiosity, have you tried anything other than VirtualBox (e.g. VMware Fusion)? I was happy with VirtualBox's (on OS X) performance until I bought VMware Fusion. I didn't do any benchmarks so I don't have numbers to back up my claim but it definitely "felt" much faster than VirtualBox.

I never tried VMF so it may be faster, sure. The thing about VBox is, like I wrote, features. VBox is basically a full-featured Virtualization-Suite, has multiple UIs and an API. It is also available on Win7,8,10/macOS/Linux and Solaris.

You may add: excellent documentation and friendly support (board, irc, list).

If I'll ever have to switch, I'd first need feature-parity.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Izik, now that you open-sourced it, why don't you say that it is based on QEMU? Everybody knew it was, and anybody could have asked Apple to pull your app from the store. It would be nice if you guys showed some appreciation for the fact that QEMU developers didn't do that right away.

We will be happy to give credit, let me contact you to see how to do this the best

Thanks!

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

#79
I just had an idea: What if the hypervisor framework prepares macOS to add a future compatibility layer to run apps on X64 and ARM. "Like" a new version of Rosetta (PowerPC on X86). But now maybe you can run iOS apps on macOS (you probably could do this with BitCode ?)

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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There is copy paste tools both for windows and linux

Ah, I see the option now, which appears to be on by default. The test VM I just set up (a clean install from ubuntu-gnome-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso) doesn't copy or paste from host to guest or vice versa. I would be happy to log an issue in Github, is there any debug info I should provide?

I reached out to get their unreleased fix for this, after combing through the knowledgebase[1] and it works! Overall it performs a little better than Virtualbox in general for me, so far.

1: https://veertu.com/knowledgebase/copypaste-linux-vms/

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