Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Donald Trump Is Elected President

nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

881–890 of 1001 posts

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#881

Post by Erik816 »

ryanx435 wrote: post #759
jernfrost wrote: post #144

Sigh, the only think positive I can imagine coming out of this is that now, I get four years I can make fun of how stupid American's are. As the country descends into chaos and non of Trump's promises comes truth I can sit in my couch and keep repeating: "I told you so!" Good thing Republican's get all the power. Now they fully own all the shit that is to come. They wont be able to blame that on anybody else. I think…

> Sigh, the only think positive I can imagine coming out of this is that now, I get four years I can make fun of how stupid American's are. it is this sentiment from the left that propelled trump to victory. Your elitism is disgusting.

One would hope that an elitist could write a proper sentence.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#882

Post by CalChris »

belorn wrote: post #545
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country Is not winning the popular vote really a strong mandate? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501393501/...

Was discussing this earlier, how many countries are actually ruled by popular vote? The recent Iceland election brings in mind, where the six constituencies makes a vote in Reykjavík count less than any other vote. The reason for that is if they didn't, citizens of Reykjavík would have a majority on their own in any national election. Similar, Sweden have a similar system where a vote from the small island of Gotland…

Yes. We have states which gerrymander the Senate then we have gerrymandered House districts.

Wyoming (pop. 584,153) has two Senators. California (pop. 38.8 million) has two Senators. CA is 66 times the population. Alaska (pop. 736,732), two Senators.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#883

Post by RealGeek »

itchyouch wrote: post #624
norea-armozel wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well first, the DNC needs to stop sucking up to Wall Street and Silicon Valley elites. They should've gone with Sanders and stop tipping the scales for the Clintonistas just because they got connections with the elites. Hillary had her shot in 2008 and that should've been that. So they need to pull left...HARD. No more limousine liberalism. As for the RNC, they really really really really need to stop propping up the…

unfortunately, for the RNC, the evangelical vote is still a significant portion of the population and people are still voting on issues like gay-marriage & abortion. I asked my gramps in-law why he voted for Trump and it was purely due to anti-abortion & gay-marriage. Non internet-connected gramps has no idea that Trump would only have those positions because it's an RNC position, not because Trump's actions show sai…

> unfortunately, for the RNC, the evangelical vote is still a significant portion of the population

Trump has exposed that the evangelical voters are hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. Their goal is to impose their religion on us.

They are totally enamored with a candidate who has profited off strip clubs, cheated on his wife, married multiple times, sexual assaulted women and bragged about it, and appeared on the cover of the nation’s pre-eminent porn magazine. But they are offended by Beyonce's songs.

This is an opportunity for GOP to move away from evangelical appeasement, but no... they will double down on it.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#884

Post by oh_sigh »

plandis wrote: post #831
koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

Why do you hate national parks Why do you deny climate change? Why do you support molesting women? Why do you think black people need to be stopped and frisked? Why do you hate gay people? Why do you think all Muslims are bad? Why do you think more religion in our government and schools is a good thing? Why do you hate women's reproductive rights? Why do you think we should actively consider using nuclear weapons? Wh…

What do you have to say about the women who voted for Trump. Do they support molesting themselves?

What about the black people that voted for Trump?

What about the gay people that voted for Trump?

What about the Muslim people that voted for Trump?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#885

Post by pg314 »

ryanx435 wrote: post #767
jernfrost wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a population of idiots is not something Trump can claim responsibility for. He is simply an asshole who has exploited this for his own gains. What exactly is there to learn from this? That democracy doesn't work when to large fraction of the electorate are ignorant fools. The lesson should be a better school system for America. But of course that would not be in the interest of republicans. They rely on large…

> Having a population of idiots is not something Trump can claim responsibility for. > large fraction of the electorate are ignorant fools. if you think the roughly half of all American voters that voted for trump are idiots or ignorant fools, than it is perhaps you that is the idiot. Simply by the law of large numbers there exists a significant number of them that are smarter and better educated that you are. Dispar…

He did not say that all Trump voters are idiots or ignorant fools, he said a large fraction.

It is a fact that non-college-educated white voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump, while college-educated voters preferred Clinton. Not all college-educated persons are smarter than non-college-educated persons. But combined with the fact that 370 economists (among which 8 nobel prize winners) said not to vote for Trump, and newspapers overwhelmingly endorsed Clinton(243-20 [2]), it might be fair to say that most Trump voters are either not too bright or not very well-informed.

[1] http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/11/01/prominent-economis...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#886

Post by lliamander »

vkou wrote: post #611
mtkd wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can stop incentivising off-shoring of jobs - it's too easy for companies to close down profitable activities and move them abroad to make more profit If you drive out of any city in US or EU you'll see the devastation that has caused

How can you stop incentivising automation of jobs?

By not making labor prohibitively expensive (automation will still happen of course, but at a slower rate).

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#887

Post by rmc »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Socialism.

Neoliberal capitalism isn't work. Why not take the wealth from the very wealthy and give it to those who don't have it? Income and wealth redistribution>

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#888

Post by ookdatnog »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #310

(I'm in the UK, but I think the discussion is broad enough to be applicable) Given Trump's win, looming Brexit etc., what's the way forward for a moderately-progressive-mostly-centrist like myself? I can completely understand where a big chunk of Trump's support has come from. For a large number of people, globalisation is shit . Employment has become less stable; the gap between rich and poor appears to be growing;…

The hardest problem of our time is the seemingly unstoppable rise in inequality, and I think the painful truth is that no one has workable solutions to this problem.

The establishment probably understands the problem but has no solutions, so they simply avoid addressing it. Populist politicians then get elected by simply naming the problem (often with a big dose of scapegoating), no matter how irrelevant or counterproductive their proposed solutions are.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#889

Post by itchyouch »

ryanx435 wrote: post #767
jernfrost wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a population of idiots is not something Trump can claim responsibility for. He is simply an asshole who has exploited this for his own gains. What exactly is there to learn from this? That democracy doesn't work when to large fraction of the electorate are ignorant fools. The lesson should be a better school system for America. But of course that would not be in the interest of republicans. They rely on large…

> Having a population of idiots is not something Trump can claim responsibility for. > large fraction of the electorate are ignorant fools. if you think the roughly half of all American voters that voted for trump are idiots or ignorant fools, than it is perhaps you that is the idiot. Simply by the law of large numbers there exists a significant number of them that are smarter and better educated that you are. Dispar…

I asked some people in my circle who voted Trump, why?

2 votes that went Trump based purely on abortion & gay-marriage.

1 vote went Trump based purely on Obama-is-taking-away-our-guns-and-the-22-ammo-shortage-is-Obamas-fault-cuz-shortage-happened-during-obama. Seriously.

I read an Instagram post of an Georgia gal who voted Trump purely to get ACA repealed.

There appear to be a variety of reasons why people went Trump, but based on my very-small-sample I think there are significant portions of the population that are captured with the traditional positions.

These 3 aforementioned rural voters don't participate in any new media available on the internet and are traditional media (tv, newspaper) consumers. OTOH, the rest of us participating on the internet appear to be a much smaller demographic echo chamber...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#890

Post by RealGeek »

advantark2 wrote: post #621
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #221

My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did. In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You…

>they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic This is a big issue here, and something that I don't feel that many democrats seem to understand. It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. It isn't islamophobic to see cultural issues with Islam that would cause integration issues, especially with a l…

> It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs.

How come a con man who employees illegal immigrants at his construction projects and manufactures his own products in China & Bangladesh is the solution for it?

Post reply on HN