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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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I bet Peter Theil is going to have a full schedule holding court over the next several months as all the Silicon Valley power players are going to want to know how they can get in the good graces of the Trump administration.

I wonder how he feels as a gay man knowing that he supported a candidate who ran on the most homophobic platform a major party has ever had.

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I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

I thought Michael Moore's reasons were pretty on point: http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/ Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were indeed critical to the election, though it was by a hair that Trump won. The liberal vote was not very enthusiastic, whereas Trump pulled in people that were die-hard fans.

Wow, this is eerily prescient and the best explanation I've seen so far of the Trump phenomenon. Great read for someone like me who like so many others, didn't know a single person voting for Trump.

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He got elected on all these promises. 1- Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it 2- Deportation Force on day one 3- Repeal obamacare 4- Renegotiate NAFTA 5- Bring back coal 6- Reduce taxes for the rich 7- Ban muslims 8- Prosecuting Hillary Clinton 9- Bring back American companies to the USA 10- Etc. The Senate and the House are Republicans and the Supreme court will lean republican after his appointment. What do yo…

You didn't mention the Iran nuclear deal. I'm expecting yet another war in Iran within two years.

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I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance. Obamacare is a disaster because it enables still more people to suck still more dollars out of the system tha…

> Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead.

Please elaborate.

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Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Education is the way to prosperity. We can look at Trump's win a loud scream from citizens that are in financial pain. The current government has not met their needs and they spoke out loud with their vote. The greatness of our constitution is that every so often governmental changes happen without bloodshed. We can thank the wisdom of our founding fathers for that.

The government's job now is to make sure that all it's citizens prosper as the global economic system changes. The tragedy of this election cycle is that the focus was not on how to make education available to all. We have a K to 12 system that does not produce a person that's ready for the workforce. It's expected that college is the next step. Yet college is such a financial burden on young adults that it becomes a problem rather than a benefit. First, we can't let that continue for the benefit of all. We need to make sure that education reform becomes the priority. Reform in terms of getting a person ready for the future rather than babysit them in schools.

People like to focus on spending more money and adding technology but that's not the solution. It's a deeper problem in the structure of the education system and parental support. I hope for our good the new president can see that and move forward with reform.

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Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance. Obamacare is a disaster because it enables still more people to suck still more dollars out of the system tha…

> Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. I'm the son of Cuban immigrants, born in Miami, living in New York, and have walked Paris many times. I don't understand your claim. Are you suggesting immigration is an issue because these places are diverse? Or have you somehow tapped into swaths of illegal immigrants in these areas that I've never s…

> Are you suggesting immigration is an issue because these places are diverse?

I think the issue is that no one voted for these sorts of changes, the situation in parts of Paris with groups of people sleeping and congregating on the streets and what is occurring in Calais are unacceptable to people accustomed to a "Western" society. I think we will see Marine Le Pen perform very well in the upcoming election in France.

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I believe what is hard to understand for us living outside of the US is how is it possible that the person who is declared President is not the candidate that the majority of people voted to be President. I tried to explain to my peers how the US election system works multiple times but I mostly got back puzzled faces and disbelief.

Part of the problem is how physically big the US is compared to most countries. Popular vote only would mean that cities (even a small set of them) would hold such a large percentage of the vote that the farmers and workers who drive the engines of agriculture and manufacturing could have almost no voice. Additionally, when this was all created, each state just wanted to govern themselves and they needed a compromise for what the federal government would be. So, instead each state was (and is) given a relatively proportional number of "special" votes to cast for President based on population. These have caps though so small, rural states get a little more power than they otherwise would (2 for Idaho instead of probably 0 e.g.) and super large ones get a little less. (This is not that dissimilar to how our Congress is set up). Additionally, each state is given the ability to decide how to vote for president. A state could say that the Governor just picks one or have an in-state vote that is a popular vote within that state (how most work) or anything they want.

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Until the generation that is driving it dies off, so probably ~20 years. I'm being flippant, but--look at the vote splits by age. Young voters in the UK overwhelmingly voted against Brexit. Young voters in the U.S. overwhelmingly voted against Trump. The voice of populism today is the voice of economic and cultural disenfranchisement. It is difficult to re-employ millions of 60-year-old folks whose skills are out of…

> Young voters in the U.S. overwhelmingly voted against Trump don't people get more conservative as they age?

Yes, in terms of financial conservatism (they have more to lose), and in terms of not keeping up with social progress (fearing young activists). That's them getting relatively more conservative, compared to the moving society around them.

But people don't generally slide back from what they experienced as kids. A LOT of 18- to 25-year-olds today grew up as a kid in a society where it is acceptable to have friends from lots of ethnic backgrounds, to have friends who are gay or trans, to believe that women should be equal to men in society, etc. They're not going to lose that as they age. That's their base concept of "normal."

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

> I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. This, I think was the real genius of Trump's campaign. One role a journalist has in an open society to objectively seek the truth. I feel that Trump effectively defeated journalism through an utter disregard for it. Putin does the same.

Which objective journalists are you thinking of? Wikileaks showed how many of these journalists were colluding with Hillary

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As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

> both sides can leave behind the incessant name calling and hate that's plagued this election Trump ran his campaign on incessant name calling and hate. If you voted for him, that means you're OK with letting the incessant name calling and hate continue.

Weird that 99% of the incessant name calling and hate comes from my liberal friends who believe that all Trump supporters are racist xenophobes
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