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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mythrwy » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:49 PM UTC

pforpineapple wrote: post #585

norea-armozel wrote: post #235

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Well first, the DNC needs to stop sucking up to Wall Street and Silicon Valley elites. They should've gone with Sanders and stop tipping the scales for the Clintonistas just because they got connections with the elites. Hillary had her shot in 2008 and that should've been that. So they need to pull left...HARD. No more limousine liberalism. As for the RNC, they really really really really need to stop propping up the…

This is a pretty good summary of what needs to be done right here.

It might be what "should" be done but given the election results last night I'm not sure it's a winning recipe for electoral success. A big part of the country is not down with pulling harder to the left.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

ryanx435 wrote: post #757

mikeash wrote: post #424

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Until the sun is obscured by vast clouds of dust as we sink into nuclear winter. That probably won't happen, but it honestly worries me. The guy is far too unstable and vindictive for the kind of responsibility he's being handed. If not that, then after all the talk of not accepting the election results, I'm worried he won't go quietly once his term or terms are over, or that he'll set a precedent for the next guy to…

Its crazy to me how different the information bubbles you and I exist in are: Everything I've seen over the course of this election pointed to Clinton being the one who would likely start WW3 and end the world in armageddon, while it would seem that you believe the exact opposite. interesting.

The basis for saying that about Clinton seems to be her somewhat more interventionist stance regarding places like Syria and Libya.

My basis for saying it about Trump is his extreme insecurity, and saying things like "When you're in business, you get even with people that screw you. And you screw them 15 times harder." or "And by the way, with Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and they make gestures that our people -- that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water."

It sure looks to me that the things people say about Clinton are mostly inferences they've drawn, whereas the things people say about Trump are just things Trump said.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by devopsproject » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #628

On the bright side, does this mean the election wasn't rigged? What will Alex Jones think now that Trump is in power? Will there be no more school shootings because Obama/Hillary and the federal government are no longer trying to take our guns away? Will ISIS no longer attack the US because Trump is being "tough" on them and the president is no longer refusing to say the words "radical islamic terrorism"? So many int…

> What will Alex Jones think now that Trump is in power

Alex Jones needs clicks and pageviews so it will be more of the same

> Will there be no more school shootings because Obama/Hillary and the federal government are no longer trying to take our guns away?

it will be because of democrats in the senate or house, or at the state or local level. Plenty of scapegoats to go around

> Will ISIS no longer attack the US because Trump is being "tough" on them and the president is no longer refusing to say the words "radical islamic terrorism"?

it will still be their fault for letting isis happen in the first place

> So many intriguing questions

Maybe for people who are new to politics. The same script will repeat in 8-16 years

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by res0nat0r » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

phkahler wrote: post #695

jernfrost wrote: post #215

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You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

>> spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. It is the height of snobbery to move the lesser skilled jobs out of the country and tell everyone they need to be smarter. There will always be a distribution of skills and it is not for the well educated to say "you just need to be like us". All the US needs to do is stop signing 900 page "free trade" agreeme…

The real problem is these jobs are never coming back. Why is Wal-Mart the biggest company in the USA? Because the American public wants cheap crap. That's it. No matter what folks say they will pay $2 less for something from China vs. a more expensive product made in the USA.

Until you can convince Americans as a whole that they will have to pay more for goods made in the USA to employ Americans, jobs which were once done in the USA but are now cheaper to be done overseas will never see a return. Trade wars or import taxes won't fix that it will only exacerbate the problem.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

ng12 wrote: post #665

mikeash wrote: post #374

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Which is ironic since Trump's supporters are the most PC, safe-space, triggered people I've seen. Clinton called some of them "deplorables" and there was such hue and cry. Point out that it's racist to criticize a judge based on his ancestry, or to propose banning immigrants based on their religion, and they got so tremendously offended.

> Clinton called some of them "deplorables" and there was such hue and cry I think this was Hillary's single biggest mistake. It was exactly what they were waiting for -- the "Washington Elite" telling them they were less than. It gave the outsiders a rallying call.

It definitely was a bad move. I can't say I disagree with the sentiment, but it was not a smart thing to say.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by tcoppi » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:53 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #570

My optimistic take: he's probably going to be a Berlusconi. Generally bad for the economy, bad for freedom, but probably won't carry through on the worst of his bad ideas. I think there's a small chance he'll be more of a Mussolini. The obvious thing to look for there is if he starts trying to carry out the threat to deport illegal immigrants, which would require door to door searches, "papers please" and that kind o…

That an American Berlusconi is an optimistic take is incredibly dark.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by ryanx435 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:53 PM UTC

bcit-cst wrote: post #462

I am still not sure what are Donald Trumps foreign policy positions are . 1) ON Syria/ISIS . All he as said is that he will hit them very very hard. okay going from that , does it mean a) he plans on putting 100K US troop on the ground and engage in an all-out war. b) or just put 100's of drones in the Air and just start bombing shit. How does he plan on bringing on board our Allies like Jordan and Iraqi government o…

do YOU understand the MAD doctrine?

it only works if your enemy believes that you will use nuclear weapons. If they don't think you will use nukes, than the threat of mutually assured destruction isn't a real threat, so MAD doesn't work.

purely in terms of MAD, it is actually good that everyone thinks that trump is eager to launch the nukes.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by stcredzero » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:54 PM UTC

gwbas1c wrote: post #268

mitchpron wrote: post #94

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Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

I believe in education, but it's not a panacea. No amount of education will help someone who just isn't cut out for a white-collar job.

How do you know? Where's your evidence? Relate how you tried to "prove the null hypothesis."

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by grzm » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:56 PM UTC

ryanx435 wrote: post #780

pmarreck wrote: post #745

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> People are not equal. And yet, the right would have you believe that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge (RIP Asimov). Because you are just an elitist educated librul, and how can you even breathe the thought that you're better than me in any way, shape, or form, especially when it comes to making important decisions that demand critical evaluation of a lot of evidence? I have a family and mouths to feed…

Its ignorant for you to assume that people on the right are ignorant and honestly the attitude of people like you were one of the driving forces of me supporting and voting for trump. Here I am, working as a software engineer, with a BS in computer science, fluent in multiple languages, able to criticaly evaluate evidence in order to make decisions, and just as educated as you are, and you automatically assume that j…

"Its people like you that have poisoned the well of society."

There's a lot of heated discussion. Regardless of who won, this was always going to be a large population of people who were going to be disappointed if not strongly upset by the result. The polarized atmosphere makes discussion very difficult. Language like this makes it even harder for people to hear what you're trying to say. You're actively engaged in the discussion, which is great! We all need to work to improve the situation and make it constructive.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by humanrebar » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:56 PM UTC

rewrew wrote: post #689

blakeyrat wrote: post #294

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I live in a relatively small suburb of Seattle. I'm a software developer. There are no jobs for me where I live. None. None within 20 miles. The only job for me is in Seattle or Bellevue or Redmond, an hour-long commute. I love where I live, and I don't want to live in Seattle (which I could barely afford anyway-- I like owning a house). I also don't want to exclusively work-from-home and be cut-off socially from my…

This is a part of modern life: You have to go where the jobs are. Apologies if this comes off as antagonistic, but why would you complain about having to an hour commute to a job when you have the benefit of living exactly where you want to live? Do you really expect to have everything exactly the way you want it? I get complaining about a four or six hour commute, but an hour each way/option to live at home for a gr…

> This is a part of modern life: You have to go where the jobs are.

There's a kind of unfairness in small communities creating safe and nurturing environments for families, educating children well, then waving farewell as their young adults move to a city far away. It's especially unfair if the young adults would just as soon stay in their hometowns given comparable opportunities.