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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by dmode »

mitochondrion wrote: post #703
nickbauman wrote: post #539

I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance. Obamacare is a disaster because it enables still more people to suck still more dollars out of the system tha…

I literally spend last weekend in San Diego and saw a very dynamic and happy place. What are you on about ?

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Post by EduardoBautista »

psyc wrote: post #476
ap22213 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else can a bunch of very different people work together and be productive together without some level of decorum and safety? So, we get rid of 'political correctness' (i.e. respectfulness), and what then? Many people don't like their co-worker's or neighbor's personal beliefs or behaviors. I can't see that letting people be persecuted openly will end well or fruitfully for anyone. Addendum: It's interesting that…

The problem with SJW culture is not that they want respect, it's the utterly disrespectful, hostile, and dogmatic way they go about demanding it, and defining it.

Yup. It has turned me off to the idea of working in SF. Such a shame too, so many good opportunities.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by falsestprophet »

snowwrestler wrote: post #157
sndean wrote: post #23

I wonder how long this populist wave that's spreading over the west [0] is going to continue? [0] https://research.hks.harvard.edu/publications/getFile.aspx?I... [pdf]

Until the generation that is driving it dies off, so probably ~20 years. I'm being flippant, but--look at the vote splits by age. Young voters in the UK overwhelmingly voted against Brexit. Young voters in the U.S. overwhelmingly voted against Trump. The voice of populism today is the voice of economic and cultural disenfranchisement. It is difficult to re-employ millions of 60-year-old folks whose skills are out of…

People change as they age. Today's 60 year-olds were the idealistic youth 40 years ago.

Many a 20 year old communist is something else at 30 and then again at 60.

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Post by moosey »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #584
gthtjtkt wrote: post #169

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WikiLeaks summed it up pretty well: > By biasing its internal electoral market the DNC selected the less competitive candidate defeating the purpose of running a primary. Hillary, the DNC, and all their cronies deserved this. I would've voted for any Democrat who won the primary fair and square, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who stole an election (and from one of the most well-liked candidates of al…

How did she steal the election, and how was her opponent, who received nearly 4 million fewer votes, one of the most well-liked candidates of all time? The data does not support your story.

He is one of the most well-liked candidates of all time, yes. I believe that he would have won an honest primary also.

How did he lose 4 million votes? Most of that can be found in the DNC emails, among other places. There was a huge media campaign smear against him (led by the DNC itself), massive amounts of donations were funneled in ethically questionable manners into the Hillary campaign, stealing money from state tickets. People were hired in a black flag op to discredit his supporters.

I'm sure the list goes further.

However, I do think one of his biggest issues was that he wasn't a member of the team. I saw it first hand at the caucus; members making references to the fact that she was a life-long democrat, as if it was actually important. Republicans certainly got over that quickly.

Still, if the DNC had played fair with Bernie, I think that two million votes flipping isn't so far fetched.

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Post by pmarreck »

elcct wrote: post #329

I think people are tired of political correctness and left wing (or so called liberals if you will) stealing the fruits of hard work of the people in form of taxes and regulations and pushing "equality" agenda at all cost. People are not equal.

> People are not equal.

And yet, the right would have you believe that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge (RIP Asimov). Because you are just an elitist educated librul, and how can you even breathe the thought that you're better than me in any way, shape, or form, especially when it comes to making important decisions that demand critical evaluation of a lot of evidence? I have a family and mouths to feed and can only afford 1 i-Whatever for the whole family, I don't hang out on Twitter or Facebook and only have time to listen to catchy patriotic slogans.

But hey, I sure as hell took the time to come out of the mysteriously dark woodwork and voted yesterday!

I guess all that effort I made to keep an at-risk youth out of prison and get him into college was pointless.

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Post by ascotan »

stcredzero wrote: post #655
DominikR wrote: post #596

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This is true, she didn't make a strong positive case for what her policies would look like. And if she did then she didn't spend her time effectively trying to convey this. (can't actually remember even a single policy of hers except for easier abortions and confrontation with Russia over Syria) But what I feel is problematic is that Trump was painted as some kind of Hitler, which is ludicrous if you spent a few hour…

He says things he shouldn't say, and some might say he's an a-hole I voted for Obama in previous elections. But I also remember how he'd said denigrating things about people who "cling to guns or religion." I suspect people voted for Trump because they thought he didn't put on one face for one public and put on another one for a different public. (Which I doubt is the reality.) Our media "elites" aren't elites anymor…

Another example of Godwin's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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Post by st3v3r »

dang wrote: post #183
st3v3r wrote: post #156

The reason people are demonizing Trump supporters is because they ran on a ticket of undoing just about all of the progress that many had fought hard for over the past eight years. LGBTQ rights are likely out the window, as is any hope at gender equality or income equality. So forgive me if I have no sympathy whatsoever for those that are being "demonized" on social media, as they likely aren't going to have to face…

This is the sort of sharp step down in civility that we need to avoid when replying here. I'm sure you can express your views without doing that, so please don't do that. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12911283 and marked it off-topic.

You're going to have to explain what was uncivil in my statement. Nowhere did I call anyone names. Nowhere did I insult anyone. I explained the feelings that many of us have of what happened, and why we're not so eager to kiss and make up.

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Post by TheGirondin »

gragas wrote: post #11

I'll say this again: Does this not prove that "diverse" liberalism isn't so diverse after all? Shouldn't a diverse group of people have seen this coming? Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as "racist" and "sexist", when in fact they're just fiscal and social conservatives?

Rural or blue collar Americans only have one place in America where they are represented on the national level: the ballot box.

All of the shocked media people and here on HN live in a bubble and have no idea what it's like to live in a working class community.

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Post by shoover »

jernfrost wrote: post #215
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

Our government offers free university education, so even less well off blue collar families could send their kids to good schools. And when economic times got harder it never hit blue collar works as hard as in America because we have free universal health care, heavily subsidized childcare, good pensions for everybody.

Does your system contain costs on these benefits better than the US, or do you have the inflation and pay it with tax increases? In the US all the benefits you mentioned have painful inflation. How does the government keep up with the costs?

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Post by aikah »

IMTDb wrote: post #368
jernfrost wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

USA does not have an oil fund that amounts do $150k per capita to pay for "free everything" (university education, universal health care, childcare) and good pensions for everybody. Norway generates more revenue with oil than the entires US of A, for 5 million people, and is third worldwide exporter for Natural Gas just behind Qatar and Russia, again with only 5 million people to serve (less than the population of Ne…

USA has plenty of money for its military its bases abroad and its wars. Maybe that money could be put at good use and USA should stop thinking it's so exceptional. Let USA concentrate on domestic policies instead of the middle east.
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