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I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

> In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. Well that's blatantly false. That was Trump's entire campaign. All I've heard all year was "Benghazi", "emails" and "crooked", all of which were just rephrasing of the same thing, repeated in perpetuum. It most definitely worked.

You never heard him say "build a wall"?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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> at the expense of talking about why she should be president. Hillary couldn't make that argument because it would've drawn more attention to her most damning flaw: The fact that she's a textbook demagogue who was on the wrong side of every progressive issue until she found it politically expedient to "evolve". That's why so many people were so passionate about Sanders. You could go back to C-SPAN videos from 1992 a…

Having the same opinion for 24 years is not a virtue. In the (probably apocryphal) words of Keynes: > When someone persuades me that I am wrong, I change my mind. What do you do? It's not a sign of vice either; I'm sure he's been believing that the Earth is round for 24+ years, and that's fine. What matters is accuracy, and updating in the face of new evidence, not consistency . Consistency in the face of new evidenc…

> Having the same opinion for 24 years is not a virtue.

That was not what GP was saying at all. He was saying that Bernie has always stood for what he believes is the right thing to do, whereas Hillary would pick a stance based on its political value.

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I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

> PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies

You couldn't fit more reactionary buzzwords in there if you tried. Jesus... PC culture is not being able to call out Trump supporters for being bigots or else their feelings will get hurt.

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I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better. Trump won on a mountain of fake issues: Immigration: both conservative and liberal economists agree that immigration (illegal or otherwise) does not suppress wages and does not suppress job growth. https://www.cato.org/research/immigration http://business.time.com/201…

> I think we learned that fake news (used to pump up fake issues) is now a legitimate campaign strategy that works even on people who should know better.

This, I think was the real genius of Trump's campaign. One role a journalist has in an open society to objectively seek the truth. I feel that Trump effectively defeated journalism through an utter disregard for it. Putin does the same.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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One of the most notable things about this election has been how strongly disliked the two main candidates were. They famously have the lowest favorability ratings of any candidates in recent history. Putting aside any corruption and favoritism from within the parties for a minute, it seems like the primary system really sets the parties up to elect poor general election candidates.

For example, take a look at the states where Clinton performed best in the primaries. They're Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Texas. All of these states were decisive victories for Trump in the general election and from a perspective purely of wanting to win, it doesn't make sense for them to be so important in the primaries. At the same time, Bernie won a number of states in the primary that ended up being important swing states (e.g Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Maine, Minnesota, Colorado). From a strategic standpoint, it would seem to make sense to attach a higher weigh to those victories (the same is also true for Florida, Ohio, and some other states where he lost).

None of this necessarily means that Bernie would have won, I just think that it seems as though the primary process is not very well designed for choosing the best general election candidates. This is even more true if you consider what a large proportion of states have closed primaries that specifically exclude independents. It seems obvious that they will be far less likely to vote along party lines in a general election but, in many states, they're given no say in the primary process. I can understand why the DNC can't just say, "sorry, but the deep south doesn't count and neither does New York or California," but opening up the primaries seems like a perfectly reasonable strategy to put forward stronger general election candidates.

I don't really have a broader point beyond that, it just seems like the parties really set themselves up to produce such, to put it gently, sub-optimal candidates.

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WikiLeaks summed it up pretty well: > By biasing its internal electoral market the DNC selected the less competitive candidate defeating the purpose of running a primary. Hillary, the DNC, and all their cronies deserved this. I would've voted for any Democrat who won the primary fair and square, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who stole an election (and from one of the most well-liked candidates of al…

How did she steal the election, and how was her opponent, who received nearly 4 million fewer votes, one of the most well-liked candidates of all time? The data does not support your story.

Tough to get more votes when the entire DNC is working against you: http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rig...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Too bad you can't do basic math either. America has spent/committed trillions of dollars on two wars that it has lost . That money got us nothing but more terrorists to be afraid of. If that money was invested in a sound "socialist" manner we wouldn't have the level of despair that would incite millions of citizens to vote for a candidate who promised to "blow up the system". https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati…

What do you mean by "lost"? You mean the nation building part? Because Afghanistan and Iraq didn't win those wars. The occupation and attempts at nation building are a different story.

I don't think anyone has any illusions that the US lost militarily, but it's a bit disingenuous to only look at that part of the picture. The majority of expenses were on the occupation and nation-building efforts, which are a mixed bag as far as success is concerned.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

I don't see much evidence that these things matter outside of loud minorities.

That and all societies have these things. In Saudi Arabia it is illegal to insult the prophet and they have declared what amounts to a "safe space" for Islam. That's one extreme and clear example but every society has taboos and ways of enforcing those taboos.

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