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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by pcunite »

Delmania wrote: post #195

The election of Trump isn't the real problem here. The real issue is that the Republican party now has control of the government, with only the fact that they don't have a supermajority in the Senate as the only check on their power. This is an organization that openly admits to voter suppression and harbors some of the most virulent racists, misogynists, and homophobes. An organization that has launched an attack on…

> harbors some of the most virulent racists, misogynists, and homophobes.

Like those at the Chicago rally?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by cableshaft »

jernfrost wrote: post #258
koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

Don't think that is possible. If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure. The way the republicans have played this game is so dirty, that you can't expect people to forgive. We can not reward such a divisive character like Donald Trump with his racism, xenophobia, mysogny, insults and bullying with a successf…

I don't think they should act like the Republicans did under Obama and vote against things they actually believed in just to make him ineffective. If they genuinely vote for things they believe in, maybe Trump will feel more of a reason to compromise instead of digging his heels into the dirt further and further and stomping on them anyway. It's because they did this that the country got further divided and less bipartisan.

But yes, Democrats better do whatever they can to stop anything that's outrageous or they don't believe in even a little bit. No "Oh, the people have spoken, so we better go along with it" shit. Republicans pulled every dirty trick they could with Obama, so they should feel free to do the same.

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Post by mememachine »

croon wrote: post #335
huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

> In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. Well that's blatantly false. That was Trump's entire campaign. All I've heard all year was "Benghazi", "emails" and "crooked", all of which were just rephrasing of the same thing, repeated in perpetuum. It most definitely worked.

all of that was to shut out Dem turnout, none of that was why he got votes

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by ddorian43 »

mtaksrud wrote: post #341
DavajDavaj wrote: post #95

I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

Could you elaborate on what these things are? PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning an micro aggression(?)

pc=politically correct

sjw=social justice warrior

trigger-warning=just google it. there are people that go in panic when they hear certain stuff (kinda insane really)

safe space= a place that protects you from words that trigger you

micro aggresion= normal aggresion is hitting someone example, micro aggresion is looking wrong, or saying something ~"bad"~

a good example: watch the "hugh mungus" fenomen (original video and many reactions like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aVna3HohXI )

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by belorn »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #83
koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

> That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country Is not winning the popular vote really a strong mandate? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501393501/...

Was discussing this earlier, how many countries are actually ruled by popular vote? The recent Iceland election brings in mind, where the six constituencies makes a vote in Reykjavík count less than any other vote. The reason for that is if they didn't, citizens of Reykjavík would have a majority on their own in any national election.

Similar, Sweden have a similar system where a vote from the small island of Gotland has 50% more impact compared to any other vote. The reason for that is that otherwise the island would only have 2 politicians in the parliament and the Swedish government wanted to have one more party representing the island than just the two major parties (which, based on those rules, means that the top 3 parties in Gotland is more or less guarantied one seat each).

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Post by LyndsySimon »

dopamean wrote: post #44
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

This is the crux of why Trump's pandering to them was total bullshit. He can't do anything to help them because the jobs that left aren't coming back. In four years they will be in the same position they are now but they wont have a black man or a Democrat to blame for it and so they wont be quite as bitter about it.

In my experience, those people aren't looking to Trump to "fix" their problems. As you said, in many cases those jobs simply aren't coming back.

The difference is that Trump said "I'll do everything I can to put things back together" (while not making any specific promises), while Clinton said "You're sexist and deplorable if you vote for that guy".

Trump recognized that the problems existed. He was the first presidential candidate to do even that.

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Post by some-guy »

mikeash wrote: post #374
DavajDavaj wrote: post #95

I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.

Which is ironic since Trump's supporters are the most PC, safe-space, triggered people I've seen. Clinton called some of them "deplorables" and there was such hue and cry. Point out that it's racist to criticize a judge based on his ancestry, or to propose banning immigrants based on their religion, and they got so tremendously offended.

This is spot on. "PC" "safe-space" and "SJW" are simply labels for specific people, but the same tendencies behind them exist everywhere.

The same people complaining about PC-culture and SJWs are the same people who are outraged about Colin Kaepernick taking a knee during the national anthem.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by fivedogit »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #221

My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did. In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You…

>Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump

This is incorrect. People stated their support. Poll models just underestimated how many of them would vote.

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Post by LyndsySimon »

forgetsusername wrote: post #339
pikzen wrote: post #249

As an outsider...what the hell did you guys just do? There are many, many reasons for Trump's election. Maybe it's time to rethink a bit about how you guys do politics?[0] Distrust of the establishment (of which HRC was the perfect embodiment). Jobs which have disappeared forever which were promised to be brought back. And as software developers for a lot of us here, maybe it is time to get more of us to think about…

> Distrust of the establishment (of which HRC was the perfect embodiment) This is what is so amazing to me: there was a massive surge in anti-establishment sentiment, from Sanders on the left to Trump on the right. It was unparalleled in my lifetime. Yet the DNC decided to run a candidate who is basically the epitome of Washington establishment? It's embarrassing.

To be fair, the GOP tried to run a similarly establishment candidate - they just lost control of the primary process with Trump's wave of enthusiasm.
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