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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by md_ » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:21 PM UTC

scrollaway wrote: post #76

dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

:) The internet has been such a nasty place today and, similarly to the day of the Paris attacks, it's been really nice to find reasonably moderate discourse on HN. As... curious as I personally find America's choices in presidency, I'm just as ashamed of some of my follower feeds on various social media. Seriously guys, don't demonize people, especially by association. Refusing to hear your political opponents out i…

It's tough. I've been trying to find a pen pal who can give me some reasonable arguments for Donald Trump for the last few weeks, to no avail.

Not living in the US, I don't really meet people who support Donald Trump. I'm probably living in a bubble, which isn't a great feeling--but at the same time, it's hard to credit the democratic process when you can't understand the alternative view.

No doubt this is a symptom of polarization. Maybe this is the famed "filter bubble". In an ideal world one would imagine social media would help bridge that gap, but I'm unsure it has.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by venomsnake » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #116

dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

This thread is substantially less civil than the previous, for whatever reason.

The people with troll-ish tendencies woke up?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by Artoemius » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

Given that the race was pretty close, I wonder if we have Peter Thiel to thank for this result. Personally, I have a feeling that Trump would lose without Thiel's support.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by Delmania » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

themckman wrote: post #74

So, I voted for DJT (I like calling him that, for some reason). I didn't vote for him because I agreed with any of his policies (as best I can tell he never actually presented any during the course of his campaign) or because I thought he was the best representative for the people of this country. I did so for a couple of reasons: 1. I like a good underdog story. The people that support him, for a multitude of reason…

> . Yeah, there are some loud one saying some ridiculous things, but I refuse to believe that close to half the country hates people of color and wants to completely isolate us from the rest of the world by closing our borders. It just can't be true.

You've never been to the deep south, much the south, have you?

> 2. I believed he was the candidate with the biggest chance of winning that would bring about the biggest amount of disruption and change

Anyone who believes Trump can change things is delusional and has very little, if any grasp, of how power works. Obama was voted in on the promise of change, as all we got was a watered down health care bill and the ability for gays to get married. The ACA probably won't be repealed any time because the Republicans do not have complete control. He will do a few things, and non-White, nonchristian people will suffer, but by in large things will stay the same. The simple fact is that the people who get you elected are not the same people you need to work with to enact legislation.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by commenting » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

user837387 wrote: post #55

He got elected on all these promises. 1- Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it 2- Deportation Force on day one 3- Repeal obamacare 4- Renegotiate NAFTA 5- Bring back coal 6- Reduce taxes for the rich 7- Ban muslims 8- Prosecuting Hillary Clinton 9- Bring back American companies to the USA 10- Etc. The Senate and the House are Republicans and the Supreme court will lean republican after his appointment. What do yo…

It's like 1930s Germany all over again, except that Muslims are the new Jews. You'd think we would have learned from last time a racist, populist demagogue gained control of a nation.

(Yes, I'm aware that "Godwin's Law invoked". In this case, it's actually relevant.)

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #114

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

What are the milestones and key metrics for the "direction that has been chosen"? In four years, if the rural mine workers are still out of work and iPads are still made in China, will you concede that the experiment failed? I can't see Trump doing that. Deflecting blame has been a theme of his career. Therefore I'm frightened that he's going to need new scapegoats for his lack of achievements pretty soon... And cons…

That's what I'm wondering about this whole thing - by what metrics can we test MAGA? I'm beginning to feel like this is Obama 2.0 when it comes to a revolution - in 4 to 8 years we will look back and go "huh, pretty much business as normal". I'm not worried about a random scapegoat, but I do just see this fizzling, and the anger and division being there again in 4 years time.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by pja » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #22

zeusk wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, why is that just two thousand comments would bog down the server? What kind of processing is done by the server to render a thread?

Oh man—all kinds of stuff. The visible bits are an iceberg tip. And it all runs in a Racket process on a single core. That mammoth thread at least tells us where the brick wall is: at about two 'who is hiring's.

How much does calculating the approx time of posting for every comment add to the total load?

If it’s significant then you could ship the UTC posting time to the client & calculate the displayed value in Javascript & eliminate that particular part of the load at least, which in turn might enable more caching internally.

(You’ve probably looked at this already though.)

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by pikzen » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #2

We buried the previous thread on this because, at almost 2000 comments, it was pegging the server. If you'd like to read it, and don't intend to comment, you could help your fellow users by logging out first, so we can serve you the page from cache: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 . If you do intend to comment, please take extra care to do so civilly and substantively, in the spirit of this site. Most p…

It pegged the server with... 2000 comments?

Does HN run on a raspberry Pi or something?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by fuqted » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:23 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #25

gragas wrote: post #11

I'll say this again: Does this not prove that "diverse" liberalism isn't so diverse after all? Shouldn't a diverse group of people have seen this coming? Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as "racist" and "sexist", when in fact they're just fiscal and social conservatives?

What does any of this mean? Trump is labeled racist, sexist and misogynistic because of his words and actions. As are most people. And lots of people saw a Trump presidency as a possibility, like, everyone paying attention to the fact that there was a Republican presidential runner, and that person was Trump.

Hillary has been recorded to be racist herself. She also went from being pro civil union, no pro gay marriage to pro gay marriage - after the fact. Beyond that seems very weird. The lying about 'landing under sniper fire', her weird convulsion-like episodes and the fact that people are repeatedly fired from their jobs for talking about it.

Political donations are not supposed to be tax deductible and yet the Clinton Foundation carries on existence as a 501c3; double dipping so that a majority of her income as one of the most wealthy politicians comes in tax deductible while she pays not taxes on it.

In light of the blatant collusion and conflicts of interest released in her emails she should've been barred from running in the first place.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by gragas » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:23 PM UTC

panzagl wrote: post #102

mhurron wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does any of this mean? Trump is labeled racist, sexist and misogynistic because of his words and actions. As are most people. And lots of people saw a Trump presidency as a possibility, like, everyone paying attention to the fact that there was a Republican presidential runner, and that person was Trump.

He means that when rural white voters said that they think they're getting the short end of the stick when it comes to globalism, the Democrats blew them off as racists/ignorant/whatever. If the Democrat party was truly diverse this opinion would have been respected enough that it wouldn't be a surprise. I think Sanders did a much better job of reaching that demographic, so I'd argue it was represented, but the Democ…

This is exactly what I mean. Clinton really lost a lot of support by only going after social issues that, for all intents and purposes, have already been solved. Sure, there are a lot of racist people who voted for Trump! But there is ample law and policy in place to protect the rights of minorities and LGBT.

Trump went after issues that actually matter. Be careful, I'm not saying LGBT rights and racism don't matter, I'm just saying they aren't really the centerfold of America anymore.