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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#121

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

Education helps the young, at least as our systems are built.

The people vocalizing their opinion by voting for Trump are beyond the age where education can be the key (old dogs and new tricks, etc.). There isn't a will to go to an educational program. There is a will to work and support yourself, but no work for them to do...

/because we can't get our shit together and fund infrastructure programs

//Not bitter.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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post #87

I'll probably stop working for a while. I really don't want to support these creepy people in small town and rural america. They should no longer get my tax money to prop up their almost non-existent economies, and they certainly shouldn't enjoy a 1st world lifestyle on my back. No more 60-hour weeks for me. I'm retiring. I hope other follow. Maybe they'll finally get off their couch, turn off breitbart, and actually…

Many of these rural people aren't looking for you to prop up their economies. They are eager for you to stop outsourcing their jobs, demeaning their existence, lowering their wages so executives can get large bonuses, and in general acting like you are much better/above them. Even more so they are eager to get to work and have a representative government that listens to them and isn't trying to push an elitist global…

Well, we will see how that will go for them, I guess. But, I'm no longer going to support them, at least.

The fact is that no one wants their unskilled, uneducated labor.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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post #87

I'll probably stop working for a while. I really don't want to support these creepy people in small town and rural america. They should no longer get my tax money to prop up their almost non-existent economies, and they certainly shouldn't enjoy a 1st world lifestyle on my back. No more 60-hour weeks for me. I'm retiring. I hope other follow. Maybe they'll finally get off their couch, turn off breitbart, and actually…

Many of these rural people aren't looking for you to prop up their economies. They are eager for you to stop outsourcing their jobs, demeaning their existence, lowering their wages so executives can get large bonuses, and in general acting like you are much better/above them. Even more so they are eager to get to work and have a representative government that listens to them and isn't trying to push an elitist global…

"their" jobs .. it was never theirs to begin with, mate

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#124

Terrifying, but the dems kind of brought it on themselves. A nominee who was actually likeable probably would've wiped the floor with Trump.

Again, Republicans did this. Don't blame this on Hillary (hint: she won the popular vote). Don't blame this on Democrats. Accept responsibility. As for likable, Hillary has been the most admired woman in America, 14 years straight. Trump ran the most negative fact free campaign ever to overcome her likability.

However, in light of the DNC email leaks, the Democrat Party's elite seemed to sandbag Bernie, who many believe (citing polls from before the primary) would have given Trump a run for his money. And honestly, this was the Democrats' election to lose, and they did nothing to win it. So I will blame them. I will blame them for going with a candidate that is firmly "establishment" when the general consensus among the public is that the "establishment" has overstayed their welcome. I will blame them for expecting the appeal of having "the first X president" to work the same as it did for Obama.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#125
post #64

The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. We will keep moving forward. We have systemic issues we need to address in the country and if they don't get addressed in this cycle it'll get worse in the next. We have major income inequality. We have an issue with tax avoidance and we have a problem with US Companies dumping workers for foreign labor. We also have a healthcare issue that needs to be solved. I doub…

The issue I have is that most of our progress will be undone. The Paris Climate Accord rejected. Obamacare dismantled. Dodd Frank repealed. It's easier to destroy the world than it is to save it.

As this election shows many in the middle class aren't fans of Obamacare. Maybe it isn't a boon to them as many people claim. The middle class are finding high deducable plans that increase in price by 25% each year and when it becomes too unaffordable for them, they are forced to drop it and they are fined. You'd be pissed off too.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country Is not winning the popular vote really a strong mandate? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501393501/...

Politicians know the electoral college decides the election. If the candidates had been campaigning for the popular vote, presumably Trump would campaign harder for more votes in large states like California and New York.

Possible. But so would've Clinton.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#127

Terrifying, but the dems kind of brought it on themselves. A nominee who was actually likeable probably would've wiped the floor with Trump.

Again, Republicans did this. Don't blame this on Hillary (hint: she won the popular vote). Don't blame this on Democrats. Accept responsibility. As for likable, Hillary has been the most admired woman in America, 14 years straight. Trump ran the most negative fact free campaign ever to overcome her likability.

Because nothing underscores likeability quite like subverting the primary election and hiring an army of internet sockpuppets to shift public opinion in your favor.

This is going to happen again in 2020 unless the DNC realizes what they've done. Sanders would have handily won this election and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#128
For better or worse, Trump's probably the next president... The weird part about this election, is the electoral college could still pull a fast one on us and elect someone else.

There are quite a few of electors and governors who REALLY hate Trump.

If anyone's curious, the elector college votes in December[1].

Edit: I don't think this will happen, but in a world where Trump won, anything is possible.

[1] https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#129

He got elected on all these promises. 1- Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it 2- Deportation Force on day one 3- Repeal obamacare 4- Renegotiate NAFTA 5- Bring back coal 6- Reduce taxes for the rich 7- Ban muslims 8- Prosecuting Hillary Clinton 9- Bring back American companies to the USA 10- Etc. The Senate and the House are Republicans and the Supreme court will lean republican after his appointment. What do yo…

I'll play: 6 is a given, 3 is on the table but wouldn't be easy. The rest range from unlikely to impossible.

Why wouldn't 3 be easy, given the makeup of the Senate and House?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#130
post #87

I'll probably stop working for a while. I really don't want to support these creepy people in small town and rural america. They should no longer get my tax money to prop up their almost non-existent economies, and they certainly shouldn't enjoy a 1st world lifestyle on my back. No more 60-hour weeks for me. I'm retiring. I hope other follow. Maybe they'll finally get off their couch, turn off breitbart, and actually…

This attitude of categorizing large amounts of ppl "creepy ppl in small town" and refusing to see / accept that they have legitmate issues and greivanes is exactly why HRC lost. We can not just cut of or forget about a large portion of our nation bc we do not agree with them or we are not better than the Donald.

Of all ppl, HN should see this as an opprotunity. Large pain points of rural america = massive startup opprotunites.

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